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Thanks. I'm tempted to only send for one certificate - the prices are ridiculous - but after what you said it might be better to have both. Even one bit of info might help solve things.
Thanks.

This is only my opinion and perhaps some of the others helpers would disagree. If that index from LancashireBMD is your William(and I'm pretty sure it is), the only additional information you'll get from it is where he was born and his exact DOB. His Mum's death certificate will give you the cause of her death and exact date of death.

Perhaps his address would help to prove that Thomas is his father if it happens to be the same address that Thomas and Alice gave on their marriage registration.

Thanks so much for all your hard work - it always amazes me how you find all this stuff.
I haven't sent for William's birth certificate yet but can I ask why it would be better to get Alice's death certificate.

Thanks.

Alice nee Mawdsley's death. Again from LancashireBMDs


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WHITEHEAD Alice 44 Halliwell Bolton HALL/14/296


If you haven't already done it, it may be better to reconsider spending money on William's birth certificate and spend it on his Mum's death certificate. If you can afford both all to the good.

Also from LancashireBMD



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MAWDSLEY William Little Bolton Bolton MAWDSLEY LB/48/158

Here's Thomas's second marriage

Alice Hodge
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1850
AGE: 31
MARRIAGE DATE: 20 Feb 1881
PARISH: Bolton le Moors, St Peter
PARISH AS IT APPEARS: Bolton-le-Moors
FATHER'S NAME: William Hodge
SPOUSE'S NAME: Thomas Whitehead, WIDOWER, Butcher
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Whitehead, Deceased
REFERENCE NUMBER: GB127.L243/1/4/51

Witnesses Thomas and Ellenor Ainsworth

Ah! Yes

Margaret Whitehead
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1882
REGISTRATION QUARTER: Jan-Feb-Mar
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
INFERRED COUNTY: Lancashire
VOLUME: 8c
PAGE: 361

LancashireBMD gives the mother's maiden surname as Hodge.

Yvonne, I can't help wondering if there are two different Alices involved with Thomas. The census records indicate a birth year of around 1850 for Alice but looking at the age of daughter Emma she couldn't be her Mum. Also that 1911 census stating married 30 years and 3 children born. I wonder if Alice nee Mawdsley died and Thomas re-married to another Alice?

Thanks ... I guess the next step is to send for the certificate and fingers crossed it's the right one.

William Mawdsley
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1865
REGISTRATION QUARTER: Jan-Feb-Mar
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
INFERRED COUNTY: Lancashire
VOLUME: 8c
PAGE: 293

The above is likely if his parents were unmarried - unless his father was present at the registration.

Thanks so much for all this information, I'm really going to have to sit down and try to sort this out, there's so much to digest. If I send for the birth certificate for William do you think he would be a Mawdsley or a Whitehead? There are two birth refs in 1865, one of each. You are all so good at this stuff.

Thanks.

1861, Thomas is lodging with the Metcalfs wh were marriage witnesses. As Margaret has the same birthplace as Thomas, they may be brother and sister.

Thomas Whitehead
AGE: 24
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1837
RELATION: Lodger
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Askrigg, Yorkshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Bradford
TOWN: Bradford
COUNTY/ISLAND: Yorkshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:

CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bradford
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bradford West End
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 12
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 149
PIECE: 3323
FOLIO: 94
PAGE NUMBER: 25
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
George Metcalfe 28
Margarett Metcalfe 27
Isabella Metcalfe 5
Ellen Metcalfe 2/12
Thomas Whitehead

Alice Whitehead
BIRTH DATE: abt 1850
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Jun 1931
AGE AT DEATH: 81
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
INFERRED COUNTY: Lancashire
VOLUME: 8c
PAGE: 368



Alice Whitehead
PROBATE DATE: 27 Jun 1931
DEATH DATE: 29 May 1931
DEATH PLACE: Lancashire, England
REGISTRY: London, England

Alice Whitehead, 118 Church Road, Bolton, widow. Probate toMargaret Fowweather (wife of Francis Fowweather). Effects £30.

Thomas Whitehead
PROBATE DATE: 11 Mar 1924
DEATH DATE: 28 Dec 1923
DEATH PLACE: Lancashire, England
REGISTRY: London, England


Thomas Whitehead, 185 Arnold Strret, Bolton. Probate to Alice Whitehead, widow, Harry Whitehead, Pork Butcher and John Winward, Draper. Effects £3,096. 12s. 6d.

Alice Mawdsley
AGE: Full Age
MARRIAGE DATE: 7 Oct 1867
PARISH: Bolton le Moors, St Peter
PARISH AS IT APPEARS: Bolton-le-Moors
FATHER'S NAME: William Mawdsley, innkeeper
SPOUSE'S NAME: Thomas Whitehead, Butcher
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Whitehead, Farmer
REFERENCE NUMBER: GB127.L243/1/4/47

Address for both Mount Street


Witnesses George and Margaret Metcalf

How interesting. Alice States married 30 years, 3 children born and 3 living.

1911

Thomas Whitehead
AGE IN 1911: 75
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1836
RELATION TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: Askrigg, Yorkshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Bolton
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 185 Arnold St Halliwell Bolton
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: Retired Butcher
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 461
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Halliwell
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 17
PIECE: 23325
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Whitehead 75
Alice Whitehead 60
Margaret Whitehead 29 daughter
Alice Agnes Whitehead 23 daughter
Nellie Waring 21 Granddaughter

1891

Thomas Whitehead
AGE: 54
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1837
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Alice Whitehead
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Ashrigg, Yorkshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Little Bolton
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Matthew
TOWN: Bolton
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION: Pork Butcher

CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:

EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Little Bolton
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 20
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 3116
FOLIO: 80
PAGE NUMBER: 1
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Whitehead 54
Alice Whitehead 40
John T Whitehead 20
Ellinor Whitehead 17
Margaret Whitehead 9
Harry Whitehead 8
Alice A Whitehead 3
Hannah Grundy 19
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1881

Ailice Whitehead
AGE: 31
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1850
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Wife
SPOUSE: Thomas Whitehead
GENDER: Female
WHERE BORN: Bolton, Lancashire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Halliwell
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: Butchers Shop 2 and 4 Arden St
MARITAL STATUS: Married
EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Halliwell
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 7
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 3824
FOLIO: 43
PAGE NUMBER: 26
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Whitehead 45
Ailice Whitehead 31
Emma Lomax 24
Elizth. Whitehead 18
William Whitehead 16
Mary A. Whitehead 14
Jas. Whitehead 12
John T. Whitehead 10
Eleanor Whitehead 7
Ernest Lomax 2

Wonder if this is the family? Perhaps either Thomas or Alice wasn't free to marry.

Emma's baptism describes Alice as a single woman, residence The Workhouse


1871

Emma Whitehead
AGE: 13
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1858
RELATION: Daughter
FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Whitehead
MOTHER'S NAME: Alice Whitehead
GENDER: Female
WHERE BORN: Wigan, Lancashire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Halliwell
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Peter
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bolton
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Halliwell
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 6
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 98
PIECE: 3925
FOLIO: 118
PAGE NUMBER: 20
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Whitehead 36
Alice Whitehead 36
Emma Whitehead 13
Jane Whitehead 10
Elizabeth Whitehead 7
William Whitehead 6 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary A Whitehead 5
Hamer Whitehead 1
John T Whitehead 1 Month

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Emma Mawdsley

Birth: Abt 1857 - Lancashire, England
Marriage: 25/12/1878 (25 Dec 1878) - Bolton, Lancashire, England
Death: 23 August 1934 (23 Aug 1934) - Coogee, New South Wales, Australia
Parents: Thomas Whitehead, Alice Mawdsley
Spouse: George Lomax