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Well found Chris! That was really niggling me, I knew I had seen it but was thinking it was with the Baker side. I had tried searching for the witness but couldn't find him but I see from your post that Alec had been mistranscribed as Alee.

(phew!, that was a bit worrying folks, lol, saw below last night, the Moulton Witness connection!)


1911 (Find My Past)
Alfred Moulton Head Widower Male 49 1862 St Mathias BG Boot Finisher
Rose Barlow - Married Female 40 1871 St Mathias BG -
Florence Moulton Daughter - Female 22 1889 - Shop Girl
Alee Moulton Son - Male 20 1891 - Marble Mason (Witness 1914 Marriage)
Louisa Moulton Daughter - Female 15 1896 - Shop Girl
Grace Moulton Daughter - Female 12 1899 - School Girl
Jane Moulton Daughter - Female 3 1908 - -
Rose Barlow Daughter - Female 17 1894 - Shop Girl
Kennery Barlow Son - Male 15 1896 - Marble Mason
Beatrice Barlow Daughter - Female 8 1903 - School Girl
Address 11 Clare Street Bethnal Green
Parish Bethnal Green
County London
Census reference RG14PN1389 RG78PN49 RD17 SD1 ED8 SN338



Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)
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Barlow Rose M Moulton Bethnal G. 1c 371
MOULTON Alfred Barlow Bethnal G. 1c 371



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

Name: Rose Elisabeth Jane Baker and Albert
Year: 1925 1926 1929 1930
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bethnal Green
Street address: 6 Poyser Street

(also at same address, Alfred Moulton and Rose Matilda)


1948
Albert Baker and Rose E at 9 Poyser Street

Rose M Moulton at 5 Poyser Street



Deaths Dec 1935 (>99%)
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Moulton Alfred 74 Bethnal G. 1c 138


Chris :)

Thankyou for your good advice - I will do as you suggest rootgatherer - with having the right parents I can't go wrong (famous last words) lol.

Rita, if you are sure that the Albert who married Rose is your Albert, then it's not quite back to the drawing board.

We have the marriage certificate for Albert and Rose. That shows that Albert was aged 21 and his father's name was Samuel.

We have shown some of the census for that Albert's parents - Samuel and Harriet Nichols. We know from the 1911 how many children they had so you just need to try to work forward from them. That might be quite difficult with such a fairly common surname as Baker.

O K Guys thank you for your time and trouble - you have been very helpful I now know what to work on - 'back to the drawing board' for me....

Your message is still there, Rita, and my response was that we're not disputing the fact that Albert & Rose had children named Albert & Rose. It's Albert's parents that we're disputing.. The marriage record gives his father's name as Samuel.

Where are we at the moment guys - I replied to your last comment but it has disappeared from the screen - think I maybe doing something wrong! I had said that re Albert 1889 - his first born son Albert 1917 was named after him and likewise the first born child (a daughter) Rose 1915 was named after her mother that seemed to be quite common in the 'old days'.

Rose Barlow's husband Albert was unlikely to have been born in 1899 if he married in 1914.

The Albert who married Rose was aged 21 in 1914, so born c1893.

This has already been posted but, what the heck! Her name is definitely Rose on the original and it shows Albert's father as Samuel.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Roger Elizabeth Jane Barlow
Name: Roger Elizabeth Jane Barlow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age: 20
Spouse: Albert Baker
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jun 1914
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Alfred Barlow
Spouse Father: Samuel Baker
Register Type: Parish Register

Well in Scotland if parents were following the traditional naming pattern (which certainly wasn't always the case) it would be the third son and third daughter that were named for the parents.

So Rita, do we have the correct marriage for Albert and Rose please?

We're not disputing Albert & Rose, Rita, just the parents of Albert.

But the Albert who married Rose in 1914 says he was 21 making him born 1893. This is getting confusing!

Incidentally - was it not the practise in days gone by for children to be given the names of their parents? For instance, with regard to my Albert born 1889 and his wife Rose born 1914 - their first two born were Rose b 1915 and Albert 1917. As a puzzle that fits very nicely......

Yes that is correct Londonbelle and rootgatherer - Albert IS on my previous message as a son of Albert Senior born 1899 and his wife Rose Barlow. How did I find Albert senior's parents? Through various Census' then once I had her christian name I compared it with all the possible marriage partners of his father that fitted the criteria. Seems to work most of the time!

1891

Name: Samuel Baker
Age: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel Baker
Mother's name: Harriott Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Anthony
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 306
Folio: 66
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Baker 25
Harriott Baker 28
Harriot Baker 3
Samuel Baker 2/12

Name: Samuel Baker, Labourer, 20 James Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 26
Spouse: Harriet Nichols, 3 Cornwall Place
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 May 1887
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Baker, Labourer
Spouse Father: William Nichols, labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

I thought you were on the right track Margee until Rita posted details of Albert's marriage and children. I was just looking to see if Albert's marriage was on Ancestry and if the names of the witnesses would help.

I would guess that Rita hasn't seen the marriage certificate which as we know can lead us down the wrong road so easily.

I have to agree with you folks. I think that Rita has the wrong parents for Albert and they are Nicholas Samuel & Harriet not John and Esther even though Rita seems to be pretty positive about her results. Which means that I've been researching the wrong family.

The address given on Albert Baker's Service Records is 20 Digby Walk the same as the 1911 census that you've just posted, rootgatherer.

I'll post this while I have it handy.
(I have edited out the other families that Ancestry have lumped with them)

1911

Emily Baker
[Emily Knox]
AGE IN 1911: 17
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1894
RELATION TO HEAD: Daughter
GENDER: Female
BIRTH PLACE: Bethnal Green
CIVIL PARISH: Bethnal Green
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 20 Digby Walk, Bethnal Green
MARITAL STATUS: Single
OCCUPATION: GUN WORK
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bethnal Green
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 17
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Bethnal Green North East
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 24
PIECE: 1405
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE

Nicholas Samuel Baker 48 out of work Labourer
Harriet Baker 48
Emily Baker 17
Arthur Baker 9


Married 25 years, 8 children born, 6 living and 2 have died.