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Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 12:18

Hello I am wondering if anybody would be able to help me?.
I am trying to find out where my surname comes from, I've been told that it is possibly German??

The surname is Viall, I've got back as far as 1795 in my tree with a man named Thomas vial,( viall ) and so far everyone seems to come from Essex so not sure what to do now as I'm stuck on thomas 1795.

If anybody could help me I would be grateful

Thank you
Trudy :-)

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Nov 2014 12:25

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Viall

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Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 12:26

Thank you rambling rose :-)

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Nov 2014 12:28

https://www.houseofnames.com/viall-family-crest

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Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 12:43

Trudy do you have any idea where in Essex?

The parish registers are available on Seax, by subscription, but are not searchable by name.

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/

Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 12:51

Hello Chris most of the Vialls I know of come from the Chelmsford area.

Thank you
Trudy :-)

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 12:53

Sorry great Waltham Chelmsford

Trudy :-)

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 Nov 2014 13:21

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1036177

(the one who married Elizabeth Smee?)

Chris :)

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 13:30

I had a quick look at the baptism register for St Mary and St Lawrence Great Waltham and St Martin Little Waltham for around 1795 but tI can see no entries for the surname Viall/Vial/Vile. Of course the family may have come into Great Waltham from anywhere and that would mean searching the registers moving out from Great Waltham looking for instances of the surname.

There is the possibility that they were non conformist and in that case the registers are not on Seax and can only be viewed on film at the Essex Record Office.

Family search has some non con records for Essex and you can get copies of entries through their photoduplication service which is very good. A search using 'Viall' and restricing the search to Essex show there were Vialls there in the 1600s and they appear quite heavily in the non con records FS have.

Good luck
Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 13:37

Thank you so much Chris for your help I really appreciate it

Trudy :-)

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 13:38

Yes Thomas married Elizabeth Smee

Trudy

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 13:48

There is something funny about that marriage.....

Family Search has it as being transcribed from "Church of England. Parish Church of Chelmsford" but I cannot find the entry on Seax for that date in the Cof E registers.

Have you got a copy of it Trudy? If not I would order one from FS to confirm where it took place as it might be non con, also the witnesses may give you a lead for family connections.

Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 13:50

Oh ok so is that why I'm coming up blank then? :-)

I will have to try and get a copy of the certificate

Thank you Chris your a star for helping me

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 13:51

Sussed it..I think!

FS has the notice of 'Intended Marriage' not the marriage itself and that is making it look even more likely to be a non con marriage.

Still worth getting a copy to see what it says I think.

Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 14:02

I think your right Chris, it's not easy this research thing is it :-)

Trudy

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 14:03

What does non conformist mean ? Sorry being a bit silly now

Trudy

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 14:04

Jus in case they are C of E Banns I checked the registers for a marriage up to a year after the date of the intended marriage and there isn't one, of course it might be Banns being read in his church and the actual marriage took place in her church.

I think a copy of the notice should help to work out whether it is non con notice or ordinary Banns...Well I have my fingers crossed that it does!

Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 14:08

Thank you so much Chris

I really appreciate all your help

Trudy

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 11 Nov 2014 14:09

"Nonconformist (or Non-conformist) was a term used in England and Wales after the Act of Uniformity 1662 to refer to a Protestant Christian who did not "conform" to the governance and usages of the established Church of England."

There was alot of it about in Essex....My Essex lot were Baptists and then joined the 'Peculiar People' both being Non Conformist.

Chris

Researching:
Avatar...My darling Dad. 1931-2019 'Take nothing on its looks, take everything on evidence. There is no better rule' Charles Dickens, Great Expectations. 'A brickwall is a problem that you haven't solved yet' Dave Annal http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/brick-walls-and-lost-ancestors/

Trudy

Trudy Report 11 Nov 2014 14:10

Oh ok lol

Trudy

Researching:
I am researching the names Viall, maunder, head, boar, brown, wicks, and many many others.

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