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Walter Knowles born 1889

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Empey

Empey Report 7 Nov 2014 09:44

Thanks to you and others. I'll get a few certificates to verify some of the info.

alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Nov 2014 21:41

Well done Empey, it's so nice to be able to tie things up nicely. :-) :-)

Empey

Empey Report 6 Nov 2014 12:09

You have already given me the answer.

In 1891 the O’Malley household included Hannah’s younger sister, Clara O’Malley, age 15.
In September quarter 1906 a Thomas Meehan married Clare O’Malley or Elizabeth Stanley.
A Thomas Meehan was born in March 1907. It seems likely that the legatee was Hannah's nephew.

Thanks.

Empey

Empey Report 6 Nov 2014 10:52

Just out of curiosity (I like to have a possible ending to the story), can anyone find any further info? I have exhausted my capacities using the tools I have (FMP, Free BMD, etc). This is what I have so far:

In 1901 there was a Thomas Meehan living a few doors away from the O’Malley family (Harriet Knowles was born O’Malley). In fact, there were two: father Thomas Meehan a labourer age 54 and son Thomas Meehan age 16, a cotton piecer. In that year Harried O’Malley, a tobacco spinner, was 17 years old. Is this significant?
Note: There is a birth for a Thomas Meehan in March 1907. As this was before the mother’s name was automatically recorded I do not know whether Harriet was the mother. If she was, there seems to be no reason why they did not marry. There appears to be no death recorded for a Thomas Meehan around that date.

Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 21:47

Thanks again for your help.

Gee

Gee Report 4 Nov 2014 20:34

Empey

If you want a 'true' family tree, you really need to buy certificates

I had to buy several for my G Grandfather and others before I found the right one!

Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 17:35

Thanks again. I guess it is most likely to be her. I doubt there were many of that name Harriet Knowles who left such a nice legacy. Probably a nephew?

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2014 15:29

There is a Thomas Meehan/m living a fe w doors away from the O'Malley/Malley family in 1901. Perhaps he has something to do with the Probate?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
162, Blackhorse Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Meeham Head Married Male 54 1847 Labourer (Builders) Ireland
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Ann Meeham Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Ireland
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John Meeham Son Single Male 27 1874 Electric Car Driver Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Sarah E Meeham Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Cotton Winder Bolton, Lancashire, England
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>>Thomas Meeham Son Single Male 16 1885 Cotton Piecer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Ann Meeham Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Cotton Card Room Hand Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Rosey Meeham Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Joseph Meeham Son Single Male 10 1891 - Bolton, Lancashire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2014 15:20

This may be her death.


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Harriet Knowles
Name: Harriet Knowles
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jun 1961
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Farnworth
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 181


and her probate (if it is her!)


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Harriet Knowles
Name: Harriet Knowles
Probate Date: 20 Jul 1961
Death Date: 5 Jun 1961
Death Place: Bolton
Registry: London, England


of 24 Wyndham Avenue, Bolton, widow died at Bolton District General Hospital Farnworth Lancs.
Probate to Thomas Meehan shop assistant. Effects £1092 9s 3d.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Nov 2014 15:08

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
KNOWLES Albert Halliwell Bolton (Mother Maiden Name) SILK HALL/29/95


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
KNOWLES Albert MALLEY Harriet Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/166/155


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2014 15:02


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) HARRIET
Last name POTTER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1861
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HARRIET POTTER married one of these people
WILLIAM MALLEY, JOHN ECKERSLEY
Spouse's last name -
District BOLTON
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 373



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Moss Court, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Taylor Head Married Male 41 1820 Labourer Puncheston, Suffolk, England
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Elizabeth Taylor Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Puncheston, Suffolk, England
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Harriet Etten Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Porter Puncheston, Suffolk, England


This has been badly transcribed. Harriet POTTER is the niece of John and Elizabeth. She is a cotton winder and they all come from Runcorn, Cheshire.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
25, Charles Street, Little Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
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William Mally Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1839 Cotton Dyer Ireland
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Patrick Mally Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 House Painter Ireland

Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 15:00

Thank you. Albert's story is coming together beautifully. The cycle accident rings a faint bell in the dim recesses of my memory. I wasn't around at the time but later, as a small child, I vaguely remember mention of it. My father (Albert's nephew) was also a cyclist. The wealthy widow Harriet doesn't seem to have remarried? At least, I can't find her, or her death. Maybe she retired somewhere warm. And I wonder what became of her wealth? As far as I know, my father had none of it. Perhaps it went to her siblings' children.

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2014 14:14

???? for Harriet.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
170, Blackhorse Street, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William O'Malley Head Married Male 60 1841 Grocer (Shopkeeper) Ireland
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Harriet O'Malley Wife Married Female 57 1844 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
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Eliz O'Malley Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Cotton Frame Tenter Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Enes O'Malley Son Single Male 25 1876 Labourer (General) Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Peter O'Malley Son Single Male 22 1879 Carpenter Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Sarah O'Malley Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Tobacco Spinner Bolton, Lancashire, England
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>>Harriet O'Malley Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Tobacco Spinner Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Clara O'Malley Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Cotton Winder Bolton, Lancashire, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
170, Blackhorse Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Malley Head Married Male 40 1841 Provision Dealer Ireland
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Harriett Malley Wife Married Female 37 1844 Housekeeper Runcorn, Cheshire, England
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Walter Malley Son Single Male 19 1862 Plumber Bolton, Lancashire, England
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James Malley Son Single Male 16 1865 Iron Turner Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Mary Malley Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Cotton Weaver Bolton, Lancashire, England
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William Malley Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Malley Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Anne Malley Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Aeneas Malley Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Agnes Malley Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Peter Malley Son Single Male 2 1879 - Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Clara Malley Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Bolton, Lancashire, England




1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blackhorse Street, Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Malley Head - Male 34 1837 provisions dealer - Ireland
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Harriett Malley Wife - Female 29 1842 - Cheshire, England
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Walter Malley Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
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James Malley Son - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
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Mary Malley Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
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William Malley Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Malley Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2014 14:06

Right, so to establish some facts.

YOUR Albert was not baptised in 1899, that was the son of Isaac and Sarah Alice.

This is your Albert's death.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ALBERT
Last name KNOWLES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1885
Age 52
Death quarter 1
Death year 1937
District BOLTON
County Lancashire
Volume 8C
Page 431

which makes his birth one of these.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles
Name: Albert Knowles
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 367

or



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles
Name: Albert Knowles
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 395


We think he married Harriet.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Knowles
Name: Albert Knowles
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 761
Records on Page:
Name
Emma Dutson
Albert Knowles
Thomas Luby
>>Harriet Malley

which would make this the 1911 for them.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
431 Tonge Moor Road Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

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Albert Knowles Head Married Male 27 1884 Bolton Lancashire Assurance Agent Life
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Harriet Knowles Wife Married Female 27 1884 Bolton Lancashire Winster Cotton Mill

They had been married for a year and a half.


The marriage certificate is the one you need to prove he is your Albert.


Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 09:03

1911. Definitely not the right family. This is the one that produced the Albert who married into the Eckersley family (witness Edwin K).

Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 09:00

On the other hand, his father was Isaac K, who features on the other marriage record. You are right. I must send for some certificates.

Empey

Empey Report 4 Nov 2014 08:56

The newspaper report is the Albert K I am looking for. He was living at that address when he registered the death of his sister Sarah Caroline in 1928. I have her death cert. Thank you.

alviegal

alviegal Report 3 Nov 2014 21:05

This is his baptism that you have.

Baptism: 12 Mar 1899 St Mark, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Albert Knowles - [Child] of Isaac Knowles & Sarah Alice
Abode: 121 Crescent Road
Occupation: Minder
Baptised by: Edwin Wolfe
Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1905, Page 17, Entry 135
Source: LDS Film 1966169


Could this be his marriage?

Marriage: 5 Jan 1924 All Souls, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Albert Knowles - 24, Metal Turner, Bachelor, 15 Anson St
Ethel Eckersley - 23, Hospital Nurse, Spinster, 39 Walnut St
Groom's Father: Isaac Knowles, Cotton Spinner
Witness: Edwin Knowles; Ellen Nelson
Married by Banns by: J.H.Martin Vicar
Register: Marriages 1915 - 1936, Page 121, Entry 242
Source: LDS Film 2148014



To remind us, here is the 1911.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31 Ulleswater St Astley Bridge Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Isaac Knowles Head Married Male 51 1860 Lancashire Bolton Self- Actor Minder
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Sarah Alice Knowles Wife Married Female 49 1862 Lancashire Bolton -
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Annie Knowles Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Lancashire Bolton Frame Tenter
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Thomas Knowles Son Single Male 20 1891 Lancashire Bolton Piecer
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Edwin Knowles Son Single Male 18 1893 Lancashire Bolton Piecer
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Joseph Knowles Son Single Male 16 1895 Lancashire Bolton Piecer
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Albert Knowles Son - Male 12 1899 - School


EDIT This is the wrong Albert and family.

alviegal

alviegal Report 3 Nov 2014 20:41

Not sure if this pertains to your Albert. You thought he might have married Harriet. This is probably for the death that you found.


"..action in which Harriot Knowles, of Tongemoor-road. Bolton. had claimed damages under the Fatal Accident Act from Paul Muller, Hampton-road, Blackpool, in respect of the death of her husbano, Albert Knowles, clothing club proprietor. Knowles, while riding
10 July 1937 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

Basically she received £922 10s and costs. Albert had been knocked down and fatally injured by Muller in his car, whilst out riding on his bike.

This is his probate.


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Albert Knowles
Name: Albert Knowles
Probate Date: 19 Feb 1937
Death Date: 30 Dec 1936
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England


of 445 Tongemoor Rd, died at Bolton Royal Infirmary. Administration to Harriet widow. Effects £681 5s 7d.


I really think you need to invest in some certificates to find out if this is your Albert.

Empey

Empey Report 3 Nov 2014 20:06

Corrections: Albert K was baptised 12 March 1899. On 11 Sept 1928 he reg. the death of his sister Sarah Caroline.