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Thanks, I think she's the Kingston Snell (2a 167) born Sept 1854 and marries George Henry Baker in June 1878 in Hampton, Middx.
I've found a Mary Ann Snell born in Hampton in 1829 who is I hope her mother - she appears to be widowed between 1851 and 1861 - which should fit with Francis Oburne being deceased when his daughter marries in 1878 - now I need to find him!

Wonder if this is her in 1871 - I cannot read the birthplace:

1871 England Census
Mary Knall [Mary Snell]
Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Servant Gender: Female
Where born: Eukwort, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Ewell County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Registration district: Epsom Sub-registration district: Epsom
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 64 Piece: 799
Folio: 68 Page Number: 11
William Miller 69
Susa Miller 59
Maria Miller 56
xxxMary Knall 18
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 799; Folio: 68; Page: 11; GSU roll: 827746.

This is a Mary Ann Snell with mother Mary Ann. Wrong age and Paddington not Hampton for birth place...

1871 England Census
Mary Ann Snell
Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Ann Snell
Gender: Female Where born: Paddington, London, England
Civil Parish: Paddington County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 166 Piece: 1
Folio: 17 Page Number: 25
Mary Ann Snell widow 46 Bootmaker employing 3 hands Devon
Edmund Thos Snell 21
John Snell 20
Mary Ann Snell 18
Frances Ellen Snell 12
Charles E Snell 10
Louisa E Snell 6
Elizabeth Berry 66 sister widow
Henry Griffis 28 boarder
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1; Folio: 17; Page: 25; GSU roll: 824710.

These are births for Mary A Snell in London and Middlesex between 1852 and 1856.
Births Mar 1852
SNELL Mary Ann Elizabeth Bethnal G 1c 249
Births Dec 1852
Snell Mary Ann Kensington 1a 11
Births Sep 1854
SNELL Mary Ann Sarah Kingston 2a 167
Births Dec 1854
Snell Mary Ann St Martin in the Fields 1a 268

Think that census entry is probably the Kensington birth, but will leave just for elimination purposes.

So this marriage references that I posted gave both of the aunt's surnames.

Marriages Jun 1878
Baker George Henry Kingston 2a 432
xxxxxOBURNE Mary Ann S S Kingston 2a 432
xxxxSNELL Mary Ann S Kingston 2a 432

Have you looked for Osburne, O'Burn, Obyrne, etc etc?

I have the birth certificate for the aunt - Mary Anne Sarah SNELL born 18 Sept 1854 in Hampton - but no father registered. Her mother was Mary Ann SNELL..
The wedding certificate for MAS Snell to George Henry Baker in Hampton on June 11th 1878 names her father as Francis Oburne - deceased.

I can't find any links to Francis Oburne - andI think I need that to get my grandmother's - Florence's mother or father's name I think?

Anyone found a birth for Florence - which is why I said the marriage and birth certificate of the aunt would be useful?

Anyone found Florence in 1891??

Maryb.

Florence's aunt and uncle just after their marriage:

1881 England Census
Mary Ann Baker Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: George Baker
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street address: 41 New Street
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 841 Folio: 32 Page Number: 11
George Baker 22
Mary Ann Baker 26
William Baker 2
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 841; Folio: 32; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1341199.

Asked how the knowledge of John F Barclay came about ...

PM RECEIVED...

I have no idea where the name came from - I was just told that that was my grand father's name.
My father registered his own birth when he was 21 and there is not a father's name on that!
It looks now as if my grand mothers name was Florence Hettie Snell - someone found her for me yesterday in the 1911 census.

Possible birth for aunt:

Births Sep 1854
SNELL Mary Ann Sarah Kingston 2a 167

Aunt's birth and marriage certificates will give more information about the family, including Florence's grandparents.

Just realised I posted the connection previously, as a suggested marriage for the aunt and uncle:

Marriages Jun 1878
xxxxBaker George Henry Kingston 2a 432
OBURNE Mary Ann S S Kingston 2a 432
xxxxSNELL Mary Ann S Kingston 2a 432

Thank you so much - this is definitely her - she signed some photos FHSB.
It has taken me over 10 years to get this information!

I'm so grateful.

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Births Jun 1909
SNELL Bertha Winifred Holborn 1b 594


Wonder if this has been incorrectly recorded, but Fulham is not Shepherd's Bush?
Births Sep 1910
SNELL George E Fulham 1a 158

Thank you for all your help.

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1911 England Census
Florence Hettie Snell
Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female Birth Place: Poplar Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 31 Porten Houses, Porten Road, Brook Green, Hammersmith W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: NO OCCUPATION
Registration district: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Piece: 263
Florence Hettie Snell 23 single
Bertha Winifred Snell 2 Clerkenwell
George Frederick Snell 0 Shepherd's Bush
Florence Mable Snook 16 nurse girl
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 263.

Just for info:
Florence H and Bertha W here together:

London, England, Electoral Registers,
Bertha W Barclay
Year: 1951
County or Borough: Lambeth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth
Street address: 15 Sangster. Ella

OK.

From some pm's received:

Thanks - this is definitely my grandmother's uncle.
I somehow need to link him or his wife to Dorothy Agnes Baker in Poplar in the workhouse.
Then I need to find her husband who we were told was John Frederick Barclay -she lived in Hammersmith in 1909/10.

My father was born 24th Sept 1910 - George Frederick Barclay, and his sister Bertha Winifred was born 22nd April 1909 - I can't find any original birth certificates or a marriage between a John Frederick Barclay and a Florence Hettie Baker.

Is this Florence's death, if so, when did she give birth to your Father/Mother?

England & Wales, Death Index,
Florence H Barclay
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Mar 1951
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 421

Arthur D Barclay married Millie Baker.

Arthur Douglas Barclay born 1898(Blackheath Kent) died1979 Norfolk.
Their 1st son Geoffrey Douglas Barclay 1919 died 2006 Norfolk.

Arthur and Minnie on London Electoral Rolls in Greenwich- Hammersmith.
So maybe that marriage has no connection to Gertrude Hettie.

Under what name did she die and where and when.
?

Maryb.

Looking for deaths of Mr Barclay in Hammersmith/Fulham/Greenwich/Kensington gives only these from free bmd:

Deaths Jun 1919
Barclay William I 42 Greenwich 1d 795

Rather too young:
Deaths Mar 1921
Barclay Colin E 27 Kensington 1a 165