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Thanks for letting us know the outcome Sandy. So very pleased that you found out what happened to Samuel. Hopefully the years he had with Bertha were good.

Thanks Sue,

I hope that I do find some rellies, a photograph would be fantastic - somebody must have one somewhere..

Sandy

Hi Sandy

Thankyou for letting us know ,that is great news ,At least he did not suffer... his Death would have been quick C/H but he was so young that is sad.

You may have some rellies that are still alive here in WA ...OZ?

Suex :-D

Just an update as promised on this thread to all that contributed and helped -

I have just received in the mail the 3 certificates that I applied for..

1st certificate is Sidney Edward Bailey's birth certificate -
this is my grandfather!

Details: Bailey, Sidney Edward. Date of birth: 30/12/1911 at Valasco Hospital, Harvest Terrace, Perth, W.A
Mother: Bailey, Nina Louise (maiden Parker) age: 26, Place of birth -England
Father: Bailey, Samuel (Farm Hand) age: 26, Place of birth -England
Parents marriage: Manchester England 27/3/1907
Informant: S Bailey -Broome Hill -Father

2nd Certificate is Certificate of Marriage - Yes, he is my great g/father!
Date: 8/5/1920 between Samuel Bailey 34 and Bertha Hilda May Evenis 33
Occupations -Samuel -Insurance Agent, Bertha, Home Duties
Father's name - (Samuel) John Bailey dec'd, Manchester Warehouseman
Mother's name - Samuel) Elizabeth Robinson

3rd Certificate is Death Certificate for Samuel Bailey -
Bailey, Samuel
Place of death: St John of God Hospital, Subiaco, W.A
Date of death: 09/09/1942 -56yrs
Insurance Officer
"Unknown" listed as parent details
1st marriage to "unknown" at 21 years in England and Marriage to Bertha Hilda May Evenis at 34 yrs
Cause of death: Cerebral Haemorrhage.
Burial at: Anglican Cemetery, Karrakatta 10/9/1942

This all paid off, I now have irrefutable proof and can put these details in my tree

Thanks again to all of you that helped
:-D :-D :-D :-D

Awesome, fingers crossed, I know WA certs don't come cheap!

Hi Sue,
Have been away for the weekend - thanks for the above - I am sending away for the certs Tues (due to public holiday Mon). As soon as I have them I will post back to let you all know

Sandy :-)

Hi sandy

Sorry but I just cannot see anything more than already found for you,better we wait until certs come back and go from there it could be that more info will come forward from the certs.

We know he came to WA in 1910 and I think Sidney was born in WA 1912 ,he also divorced his wife here in WA,by the way the date on that Newspaper artical re; divorce was 21 st June 1918 so he was still in WA then.

Please come back and let us know how you went with Certs :-)

Sue :-)

Thanks Chris and Cherilyn, I will check these out

Nina Louise Bailey died as Nina Louise Arnott (after marrying George C Arnott) in 1967

An S Bailey arrived in Fremantle from London in 1926 aboard Baradine with a W Bailey.

BUT

Not an uncommon surname so not every S or Samuel is definitely the same fellow! :-)

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx


(not sure if anything to be found on above indexes, for below post from rootgatherer)

Chris :)


Is this death connected to your family please?

Name: Nina Louise Bailey
Death Date: 6 Mar 1915
Cemetery: Gilgandra Church Of England Cemetery
Cemetery Location: Dubbo Region


EDIT

Yes, I see it is

Name: Nina L Bailey
Death Date: 1915
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's name: Nina
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Place: Gilgandra, New South Wales
Registration Number: 2442

Thanks Chris, will look into this, much appreciated :-)

Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963

Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930

(above are on Ancestry)

Chris :)

(they have the 1910 outgoing as below, with him wife M.C. perhaps meaning Mrs)

Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: T Bailey (Agent)
Gender: Female
Departure Place: London, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 6 Sep 1910
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Osterley

(just name Mr S Bailey for 1926 'Benalla' on above)


http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/archive-collection/family-history

(probably better to see at Archives)

Thanks for looking for me Sylvia :-)

I can't see him arriving back in the UK 1920 +/- 10 years

Hi Sue,

Geography and travel are 2 of my weak points... :-(

Sandy I will keep looking,do you know the layout of OZ at all.

He would have passed WA first to get to Sydney.

I love these Threads... they test us all. :-)

Hi Sue,

I know it is all (at this stage) speculation, but I am willing to get the birth certificate for Sidney (he was born on the 30th Dec in 1911, so the registration in 1912 would be logical) and the death certificate for Samuel just to find out. He may have gone back to the UK for a visit, and for some reason stopped in NSW before returning to Perth. I am going to do a bit more homework on the Bertha theory first.

I will definitely keep you all posted, but in the meantime if you come across anything else, please let me know

Sandy

:-)

Hi Sandy

Pretty sure the Birth is correct for Sidney,please bear in mind that Samuel did go back to the Uk at some time ( not yet found)and come back again to SIDNEY (Many thousands of Ks from Perth WA )in 1926.
If me married Bertha in 1920 I find it strange he did not come back to WA to be with his said Wife Bertha.

Please let us know about the Certs and what it says I am very interested about this one :-)
In the meantime I will keep looking :-(

Sue

Hi Cherilyn,

You are thinking the same thing that I am too - I have just trawled through Trove, and I have all of the newspaper articles on him, including this one..
Samuel Bailey (36), insurance, agent,was remanded on bail on a charge of having assaulted his wife, Bertha Bailey., Tuesday 7 November 1922 :-(

Thank you for looking, I am just astounded at all the help I have recieved! :-)
I think I will also order his death certificate, can't hurt

Hi Sandy

I think he might be the Samuel BAILEY who died 9/9/1942 in Perth, WA, aged 56. The age is a perfect match! He is buried at Karrakatta Anglican (www.mcb.wa.gov.au).

If this is him then he remarried in 1920 to Bertha Hilda May EVENIS (reg 531, Perth). She had two daughters (his stepdaughters) Edna & Beryl, named in his funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47346815

Bertha died 3/11/1953 aged 65. Her daughter Edna Constance May was born as EVENIS in 1911 and died as COOMBS 12/10/1969. Younger daughter was born as Adele B EVENIS in 1914 and died as Beryl Adele BACHE 4/4/1970.

Bertha H M COTRILL married Wm EVENIS in 1911. Bertha & Wm divorced in 1920.