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The GRO indexer has definitely transcribed the name as John, and FreeBMD's has accurately transcribed this.
[It could be that the indexer is not at fault, and the local Westbury copy made for the GRO is mistranscribed from the original register]
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mgnv that was exactly what I was twice suggesting could have been possible :-)

and your finding in the local register seems to suggest it is in fact what happened

... except that I did find traces of a John Morris who fit the 1840 birth:

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... except that no, now I see that John Morris in censuses ... in 1851 in Shropshire where his place of birth is entered as 'Westbury ditto' to 'Salop' and later in Middlesex ... so apparently not your man ...
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but ....................... Samuel's first wife was indeed Mary BROWN so what you have found looks like the key !

The GRO indexer has definitely transcribed the name as John, and FreeBMD's has accurately transcribed this.
[It could be that the indexer is not at fault, and the local Westbury copy made for the GRO is mistranscribed from the original register]

I clicked on the FreeBMD page # link, and here's the (reordered) names that are indexed to p 402 - I've appended the local ref #

Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
Bailey Alfred O'Connor Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/281
Beaven Job Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/282
Webb Lucy Augusta Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/283
Smith John Westbury 8 402 WEST/2/284
Eyres Edwin Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/285
Holloway Henry Westbury 8 402 WEST/2/286
HANDY Elizabeth Westbury 8 402 WEST/2/287
Webb Mira Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/288
Doel Hannah Westbury &c 8 402 WEST/2/289
MORRIS John Westbury 8 402

WiltsBMD has no John Morris in 1840 - but they do have:

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MORRIS Jehu Westbury History Centre BROWN WEST/2/290

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MORRIS Samuel Westbury History Centre BROWN WEST/3/466

WiltsBMD has transcribed no deaths for the Westbury subdistrict of Westbury RD.

Many thanks Joonie Cloonie!

Your ideas set me off again and I have found a tree on Ancestry that gives Caroline (13) as the daughter of William and Lydia. Another tree provides a marriage for William and Lydia Toop but unfortunately does not give a source.

John Watts (aged 14) eventually marries a Patience Clinch (great name) and names their first son William. Probably I will have to buy John's marriage certificate to prove the connection. Sometimes I feel like giving up on this side of the family due to their total lack of interest - I think it really upset them to find out that they are not 100% Yorkshire!

Once again many thanks.

hi Jackie of the other Jehu :-)


if you look at the image of the 1841 census where your Jehu is (Ancestry transcribes him as John, and you can see how the n in the John above him is identical to the u in his name)

there is actually a scad of Watts-s all together there, shown as separate households (single line between them) at the same address (Stormore?)

they are grouped as follows


Gaius Watts 25 Shoe Maker
Miriam 5
Ann 2

John Watts 14 Weaver
Jehu 11
Caroline 13

Wm Watts 40 Weaver
Lydia 40
Mary 9
Miriam 7
Ruth 3


and on the previous (facing) page also at Storemore are

Jesse Watts 35 Weaver
Hannah 40
Maria 3


it's a little hard to sort out the relationships - is Gaius a son of Wm or a brother? - but they would seem to be pretty closely related

I would guess that John, Jehu and Caroline are the older children of Wm and Lydia - ages going 14, 13, 11, 9, 7, 3 for a couple aged 40 seems likely.

I actually think the enumerator was just lazy with the double lines and all the households separated by a single line are actually in different dwellings

John being a weaver at 14 may have had a dwelling of his own where he carried on that home occupation and the other older children lived with him ... or Gaius really was an older child of Wm and Lydia, and his three siblings were living with him but since they were not his children, they got the single-line treatment between his household and them.

there are also some farmed-out Watts children in households down the road in Dilton Marsh (immediately follows Storemore in the census book)

Ev? Watts (girl), 12, with Hillman household
Charlotte Watts, 14, female servant (non-agricultural farm worker usually) with Chard farm household
and there is a Jessie Watts, 50, grocer
and that's as far as I went

(I wish my people from a Wiltshire village who were there before 1600 had managed to stay put that long ... by 1841, my last ancestor who was born there seems to have been the only one of them left, and he had long since left ...)


it is always useful to submit a name correction to Ancestry, you never know what distant cousin you might meet that way - I have met several!




(I also just wanted to note that back on page 1, I was certainly not disputing that our man in this thread is Jehu, I was just pointing out how Jehu is transcribed more in the breach than in the observance, both at FreeBMD and in censuses at Ancestry, so it's worth giving any John who looks to be a possible candidate some careful scrutiny, as he might not be John at all, he might be Jehu really)

Many thanks.

Jackie

If you can't see what you want on Ancestry, try

http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
The Official Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial BMDs Service

Although you can search for free, for full details it is pay to view or subscription based.

Thanks Chris

Card Catalogue (list of data collections)

(from above on Homepage, non conf* in keyword box)


England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970

Chris :)

Another Jehu, born in Dilton Marsh, I think.

On the 1841, my partner's gt.gt. grandfather, John Watts,14, is living in the same house as Caroline, 13 and Jehu, 11. They seems to be living on their own but their ages might be wrong.

It seems as if the name Jehu was popular in this part of the country.

How can I find the Non Conformist records on Ancestry - I have a subscription?

Thanks once again, Chris :-)

oh!, lol, let's hope they help, and you get sorted!, fingers crossed.

Chris :)

Re: An older posting.

I am the Sharon that has Virtue in her tree. The post was mine.
Myself, my sister, Nicola, and my mum all contributed to the cost of having a Genes reunited account but the account is in my sisters name - We all use it...lol. Sorry for the confusion.
We started a new account due to silly mistakes we made on other account.

On your link : wiltshire bmd, it gives me a phone number that I can contact re: Jehu Morris' birth certificate. Hopefully they can help further :-)
I will also try : MORRIS John Westbury 8 402 if they are unable to help

Thanks once again Chris Ho

Regards
Sharon

Births Sep 1840
MORRIS John Westbury 8 402

(would say as suggested earlier, worth trying for above Cert.)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/records_office/thread/975650?d=asc

(an old posting, but somebody else with family, Sharon has Virtue in 'Search All Member Trees' (under 'Search' top right of page) if you want to send her a message!)

Hi Chris Ho :-)

Thank you so much for finding this information. It has been very helpful.
I will order Jehu's birth certificate from your link.

:-D

Thank you for your help on this, Gins :-)

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 (Ancestry)

Name: James Morris
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1824
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Samuel Morris
Mother: Mary Brown
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 2742: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1779-1837


Name: Sarah Morris
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1826
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Samuel Morris
Mother: Mary Brown
Baptism Date: 14 May 1826
Baptism Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 2742: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1779-1837


Name: Lemuel Morriss
Birth Date: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Event Type: Burial
Father: Samuel Morriss
Mother: Mary Morriss
Death Date: abt 1831
Death Age: 0 (9mths)
Burial Date: 10 May 1831
Burial Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 3277: Westbury, Old Meeting (Independent), 1785-1818

http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/

(also above)


Wiltshire, England, Marriages, 1538-1837 (Ancestry)

Name: Samuel Morris
Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1823
Parish: Dilton
Marital Status: Bachelor (Single (Male)
Residence: Dilton
Spouse: Mary Brown
Spouse Marital Status: Spinster (Single (Female)
Spouse Residence: of This Parish
Document Type: Banns

Chris :)

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
MORRIS Jehu Westbury History Centre (Mother Maiden Name. BROWN) WEST/2/290

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(from above if any use)

Chris :)


Providence Chapel Sunday School

The below is a list of children attending Providence Chapel Sunday School when the school began in 1837.

Jehu Morris 6, son of Samuel Morris of Marsh, began March 1846, moved to London

http://www.dilton-marsh.org.uk/research/prov_ssreg.php


Records of Providence Chapel.

Morris. Brown. Mary. N/K. Morris. Samuel. 1823. 31-Mar.

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Dilton/Dilton%20Marsh%20-%20Vital%20records%20of%20some%20Providence%20Chapel%20members.pdf

(also relating year 1834)

Another image that has 'Jehu' and it defo is correct on the image



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:George Jehu Morris

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878

Age:26

Spouse:Stella Maud Whitford

Spouse Age:20

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:24 Dec 1904

Parish:Christ Church, Notting Hill

Borough:Kensington and Chelsea

Father Name:Jehu Morris Bootmaker

Spouse Father:Walter Henry Whitford

Register Type:Parish Register

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Births Mar 1876

MORRIS George Jehu Kensington 1a 169

The 1911 census is transcribed as 'John' but on the image it is 'Jehu' and as this is his own entry, it looks like he knew his name!

His death also shows as 'Jehu'



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Jehu Morris

Birth Date:abt 1841

Date of Registration:Mar 1922

Age at Death:81

Registration district:Hendon

Inferred County:Middlesex

Volume:3a

Page:475

Looking at the image I would say his name is written as 'Jehu', not John


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:John Morris Bootmaker

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840

Age:21

Spouse:Eliza Mary Jaques

Spouse Age:22

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:17 Mar 1861

Parish:Holy Trinity, Paddington

Borough:Westminster

Father Name:Samuel Morris Bootmaker (Deceased)

Spouse Father:Thomas Jaques Coachman

Register Type:Parish Register

Wit: Henry? & Sarah Mulloy