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As mentioned before, would get the below if I was you, would make things clearer, hopefully, suspense is mounting, lol...


Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Burton Harry J Kingston 2a 989
Mansell Alice M Kingston 2a 989


Chris :)

Hi CHris Ho that is who I thought was Harry's father too it got me confused . Charles E and JAmes Alfred Burton his brother both had a sons and both called them Harry JAmes Burton .Charles E son Harry James was born 1883 and James Alfred son also Harry James Burton was born in 1886 ish .I wonder if the brothers had a brother maybe who died and they both named their sons in honour of him seems strange that they would both call their sons the same name TBH :-S x

Jayne, have added this from further down page, in case you got confused, James was Uncle of Harry!...perhaps he and Emma 'took her in', a lot of Deaths around that time.

Chris :)


Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 18 Sep 2014 22:23

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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Burton Harry James Chelmsford 4a 360

Baptism
County Essex
Place Moulsham
Church St John the Evangelist
RegisterNumber 883
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 02 May 1883
Forename Harry James
Sex M
FatherForename Charles Edwin
MotherForename Charlotte Susannah
FatherSurname BURTON
MotherSurname
Abode Moulsham Street
FatherOccupation Moulder

(could be him?)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


1861 (Find My Past)
Edward Burton Head Married Male 36 1825 Labourer Braintree, Essex, England
Emma Burton Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Moulsham, Essex, England
Charles E Burton Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Moulsham, Essex, England
James A Burton Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Moulsham, Essex, England
Ann Woods Mother In Law Widow Female 52 1809 Monthly Nurse Barsham, Essex, England
Henry Chilard Son Unmarried Male 11 1850 Scholar Moulsham, Essex, England
Street Bridge Row Upper
Parish Chelmsford
Town Chelmsford
County Essex
Hamlet Moulsham
Ecclesiastical district St Johns Moulsham
Registration district Chelmsford
Enumeration district 10
Piece number 1079
Folio number 167
Page number 20


Deaths Jun 1932 (>99%)
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Burton Charlotte S 77 Woolwich 1d 1091


Burial Register summary
Burton
Charlotte Susannah
Burial date 26 April 1932
Royal Borough of Greenwich - London
Location Plumstead Cemetery (Greenwich)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
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Burton Charles E 75 Woolwich 1d 1170


Burial Register summary
Burton
Charles Edward
Burial date 04 January 1929
Royal Borough of Greenwich - London
Location Plumstead Cemetery (Greenwich)


Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
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BURTON Charles Edward Chelmsford 4a 295
Traveller Charlotte S Chelmsford 4a 295


Baptism
County Essex
Place Moulsham
Church St John the Evangelist
RegisterNumber 161
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 24 Dec 1853
Forename Charles Edward
Sex M
FatherForename Edward
MotherForename Emma
FatherSurname BURTON
MotherSurname
Abode Queen's Street, Chelmsford
FatherOccupation Fireman


Baptism (Find My Past)
First name(s) CHARLOTTE SUSANNAH
Last name TRAVELLER
Birth year 1854
Birth day 5
Birth month Jun
Baptism year 1854
Baptism day 2
Baptism month Jul
Parish St Paul, Covent Garden
Father's first name(s) James Edward (occupation, Clerk)
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
County Middlesex
Page 145
Record set Westminster Baptisms
(abode, Hart Street)


1891 (Find My Past)
Charles E Burton Head Married Male 37 1854 Brass Moulder Chelmsford, Essex, England
Charlotte S Burton Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Covent Garden, Middlesex, England
Ernest C Burton Son - Male 12 1879 Errand Boy Chelmsford, Essex, England
Bertha C Burton Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Chelmsford, Essex, England
Harry J Burton Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Chelmsford, Essex, England
Gertrude A Burton Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Essex, England
Arthur P Burton Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Essex, England
Albert E Burton Son - Male 3 1888 - Essex, England
Street New Park Street
Parish St Leonard
City Colchester
County Essex
Registration district Colchester
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 1412
Folio 37
Page 22

Hi Chris ho yes her mother died when she was 9 /10
years old then she went to live at some point with her grandparents JAmes and Emma they died the same year as my nan married .but she never spoke about her dad Harry James except to say when she moved to Coventry during the war she contacted Chelmsford police and they found him living in the Chelmsford area and he had remarried with children he then contacted my nan asking her for money ! She never had any more contact with him ? I think from reading the newspaper report on here he may have been a rogue would love to know his movements from 1921 onwards when Alice his wife died and why my nan lived with his parents and not her father ! Very strange indeed !

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
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Bodenham Iris C Day Chelmsford 4a 1945
Day Jack V Bodenham Chelmsford 4a 1945

(that would probably be above, Sister of WT)


Would be worth getting Harry and Alice Marriage Cert., when you can, for your collection!, looks like Gladys was perhaps lodging/living with James and Emma, a sad time, as Emma dies later 1931, same quarter as Wedding.

Chris :)

Hi Chris it's I bodenham and E W Smith as witnesses to the marriage of my nan Gladys Burton x

No I haven't got the marriage certificate for Harry James BUrton or Alice Maud MAnsell but I've got Gladys Birth living at 7 Westbank road Richmond and on the marriage certificate the address is 45 towns field street CHelmsford and it states Harry J as the father


(Jayne, as you added above, can you give us names of witnesses from the Marriage Cert., wondering who they are!)

Chris :)

18 September 1931 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Death
On Sept. 4th, at Southend, after a long and painful illness, James Alfred Burton, aged 71 years, beloved husband of Emma K. Burton, of 45, Townfield Street, Chelmsford. Interred at Writtle Road Cemetery.

Aww thank you x It is the people on this thread that gave so much infomation and pointed me in the right direction that made it possible x I am so glad i chose to come back to this site after a few years away everyone is so helpful and friendly x Yes your right it is good to know our ancestors were looked after by other family members if tthey lost a parent it comforting to know that.What a lovely story rootgatherer thats what life is all about family x

So very pleased that your Mum and Auntie are happy. It's good to find that our ancestors who lost their Mum were reared by family. My Gran had a sister who died in 1911 leaving 3 children under 5 years of age. She had already buried her husband and two of her 5 children. Her girls were raised by Gran's Older sisters and I was lucky enough to know one of them especially and still keep in touch with Gran's nieces and Grandnieces.

Oh my days ! Bless you I bet thats gave you a right headache ! i think I would give up if im honest lol all the same names ! :-S x

WHAT AMAZING HELPFUL PEOPLE YOU ALL ARE.!!! :-D THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH WITH ALL THE HELP AND ADVICE .IF YOU ALL ONLY KNEW JUST HOW HAPPY MY MUM AND AUNTIE ARE WITH THIS NEWS ABOUT THEIR MUM :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D X

Just as well you're not searching Scottish roots then Jayne. OHs great grandfather had 4 brothers and everyone one of them named their second daughter for his mother, including her maiden surname as a middle name!

Why would 2 brothers both call their sons both Harry James Burton is beyond me thats is where I went wrong same family wrong father. It is James Alfred thats my GG Granddad Chris Ho comfirmed it with the Townsfield street address ! phew thank you all so very much x :-D

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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Burton Harry James Chelmsford 4a 360

Baptism
County Essex
Place Moulsham
Church St John the Evangelist
RegisterNumber 883
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 02 May 1883
Forename Harry James
Sex M
FatherForename Charles Edwin
MotherForename Charlotte Susannah
FatherSurname BURTON
MotherSurname
Abode Moulsham Street
FatherOccupation Moulder

(could be him?)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


1861 (Find My Past)
Edward Burton Head Married Male 36 1825 Labourer Braintree, Essex, England
Emma Burton Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Moulsham, Essex, England
Charles E Burton Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Moulsham, Essex, England
James A Burton Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Moulsham, Essex, England
Ann Woods Mother In Law Widow Female 52 1809 Monthly Nurse Barsham, Essex, England
Henry Chilard Son Unmarried Male 11 1850 Scholar Moulsham, Essex, England
Street Bridge Row Upper
Parish Chelmsford
Town Chelmsford
County Essex
Hamlet Moulsham
Ecclesiastical district St Johns Moulsham
Registration district Chelmsford
Enumeration district 10
Piece number 1079
Folio number 167
Page number 20


Deaths Jun 1932 (>99%)
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Burton Charlotte S 77 Woolwich 1d 1091


Burial Register summary
Burton
Charlotte Susannah
Burial date 26 April 1932
Royal Borough of Greenwich - London
Location Plumstead Cemetery (Greenwich)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
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Burton Charles E 75 Woolwich 1d 1170


Burial Register summary
Burton
Charles Edward
Burial date 04 January 1929
Royal Borough of Greenwich - London
Location Plumstead Cemetery (Greenwich)


Baptism
County Essex
Place Moulsham
Church St John the Evangelist
RegisterNumber 161
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 24 Dec 1853
Forename Charles Edward
Sex M
FatherForename Edward
MotherForename Emma
FatherSurname BURTON
MotherSurname
Abode Queen's Street, Chelmsford
FatherOccupation Fireman

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charles Edward Burton Name:Charles Edward Burton
Registration Year:1889
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Chelmsford
Inferred County:Essex
Volume:4a
Page:431



1911 England Census
about Charles Burton Name:Charles Burton
Age in 1911:22
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1889
Birth Place:Chelmsford, Essex, England
County/Island:Military
Country:England
Military Unit:Viii (k R I) Hussars
Registration District Number:641
ED, institution, or vessel:India

Charles Burton 22..... (Absent)

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Burton James Alfred Chelmsford 4a 481
Clarke Emma Kezia Chelmsford 4a 481

(possible)

http://www.chelmsfordwarmemorial.co.uk/Chelmsford_War_Memorial/Others_who_served.html

BURTON, Harry James 35 Townfield Street
BURTON. James Alfred 45 Townfield Street


Baptism
County Essex
Place Moulsham
Church St John the Evangelist
RegisterNumber 587
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 04 Mar 1860
Forename James Alfred
Sex M
FatherForename Edward
MotherForename Emma
FatherSurname BURTON
MotherSurname
Abode Upper Bridge Row
FatherOccupation Mechanic

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Ah superb! I do so love it when everything comes together!

Well done everyone :-D :-D :-D

Phew!!

Jolly good team work on here Jayne. :-)


1901 England Census
about James Burton Name:James Burton
Age:41
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Emma Burton
Birth Place:Chelmsford, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Colchester
Ecclesiastical parish:St Leonard
County/Island:Essex
Country:England

Household Members:

James Burton 41
Emma Burton 35
Charles Burton 12
Violet Burton 7
Kate Burton 5

OMG THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH THIS IS THE RIGHT FAMILY ! ITS THE SAME ADDRESS LISTED AT THE TIME OF MY NAMES MARRIAGE THAT PUTS IT TO REST WHO ACTUALLY BROUGHT MY NAN UP ! IT WAS THE BURTON SIDE AND NOT THE MANSELLS AS ALL THE FAMILY HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT :-D THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH . :-D :-D :-D :-D

Thomas Harris was born in Chelmsford, one of nineteen children. He worked at Crompton’s for nine years, married in January 1917 and joined the army. He was killed in action in October 1918. Aged 23, Thomas married Kate Emma Burton on 20th January 1917 at Chelmsford Cathedral. At the time he was a clerk, living at 52 South Primrose Hill (the same property as in 1901, but renumbered). His 20 year-old bride was the daughter of the moulder James Alfred Burton, and lived at 45 Townfield Street, Chelmsford.

(relating with same address above?)

http://www.chelmsfordwarmemorial.co.uk/Chelmsford_War_Memorial/HARRIS,_THOMAS.html

Chris :)


Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Burton Kate Emma Colchester 4a 645

(possible, 1911 with Parents, James and Emma, 16, Townfield Street, Chelmsford)