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Wondering about that Edward Buttery wife Alice 1911...says Married 6 yrs, not the one in 1907 Kingston, they are there 1911...

(also, notes 1911 signed by Mrs? E Barry and E Buttery)

Chris :)

(below was Baron, all seems odd, lol)

1907
TANENBERG Baron MAGGS Jessie Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/185/143

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Baron/Edward's Davis/Davies uncles are on his mother's side (and is this perhaps a sister marrying at the same time?);

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
DAVIS Alice Marylebone 1a 1144
DAVIS Gertrude Marylebone 1a 1144
STETTINER Henri Julius Marylebone 1a 1144
TANENBERG Marcus Marylebone 1a 1144

It occurs to me that Baron's marriage to Jessie was in 1903 - ie - 8 years before 1911.

Perhaps he just transferred that year to his supposed marriage to Ethel.

EDIT: No, I'm wrong - B&J married in 1907 - see Diana's OP and Chris's post below.

As Baron/Edward's wife Jessie didn't die until 1907, and as the 1911 census claims that Edward & Ethel had been married for 8 years, either E&E weren't married, or were married bigamously (perhaps he could get away with it when using a different name??).

E&E may not even have been together for 8 years - maybe they just said that to look respectable, given Edna's age.

Wonder if Edward married Ethel abroad... (if they got married!)

Interesting man...

Chris :)

(from that 1911
Ethel Barry Head Married Female 24 1887 London Marylebone, don't suppose below!)

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
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BARRY Ethel Beatrice Marylebone 1a 596

edits (no, she is in Kensington 1911)

The addresses given for Marcus and Nathaniel are,1888--1890.


32 Trinity Road Leeds Yorkshire.
73,Park Road Newcastle-on-Tyne.

They appear to have traded as jewellers at two shops.

Many of the Tanenbergs left Wills,,,,,,perhaps Baron /Edward is mentioned.?

Wow - you are all so wonderful. This is a lot to take in so I will have to study it thoroughly. Many many thanks to you all.

1911 England Census
Albert Woolf Davis
Age in 1911: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female Birth Place: Bath, England Civil Parish: Willesden County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street address: 27 Montrose Avenue N W
Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Occupation: Advertising Agent
Registration district: Willesden Registration District Number: 129 Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 216 Piece: 6994
Albert Woolf Davis 58
Hester Ellen Davis 35
Margaretta Davis 7
Josephine Davis 5
Rosettia May Davis 4
Bena Sophy Davis 3
Fanny Amey 60 mother widow
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 6994; Schedule Number: 216.


Just for ref. Fanny and Hester in 1881

1881 England Census
Hester E. Amey Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Alfd. Amey Mother: Fanny Amey
Gender: Female Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Dorking County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Street address: South Street The Cricketers
Registration district: Dorking Sub-registration district: Dorking
ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 796 Folio: 53 Page Number: 15
Alfd. Amey 34
Fanny Amey 28
Hester E. Amey 5
Florence Amey 4
Henry Amey
Chas. Townend 23
Joseph Flutchlarie 25
Augt. H. Hucliffe 36
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 796; Folio: 53; Page: 15; GSU roll: 1341187.

Added;
Slight untruth with marriage date:
Marriages Mar 1913
Amey Hester E Davis Paddington 1a 112
Davis Albert W Amey Paddington 1a 112

Aha!
This is why he was scored off the 1911 census I posted above (assuming that's the right census record, with Ethel & daughters, and I think it is):


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Edward Barry
Name: Edward Barry
Arrival Date: 10 Mar 1911
Birth Date: abt 1878
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Leeds
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Mauretania
Search Ship Database: Search the Mauretania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Occupation: cinematographer.
NOK in UK: Uncle, A W Davies, 27 Montrose Avenue, Queen's Park, London.
Going to:
Uncle, C Davis, 45 West 35th Street, NY

5' 8.5", fresh complexion, auburn hair, blue eyes.

??? Occupation: theatrical.


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Edward Barry
Name: Edward Barry
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 34
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1913
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Olympic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Olympic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 131346

On the voyage shown by Chris (above) he names a sister,Mrs HALLWORTH of Blackpool. I guess that's Rosetta neeTanenberg .

Maureen

Marcus Tanenberg and son Nathaniel Jewellers Trading as , Marcus Tanenberg and Son. in Leeds/Yorkshire went into recivership and bankrupt by 1890,,this appears in the Gazette via the National Archive uk site.....

If a name was changed by deedpoll the National Archives at Kew London have books,,,,,,dates,,,,

1851 to 2003,

1851 to 1903,,,,,Ref --C75,
1903 to 2003,,,,,,Ref- -J18,
these items have to be pre-ordered and a booked place,,,,,,any copies can be bought,

1945--2003 is a walk-in and read service but requires a readers ticket,which can be got on the day or the use of a national library card,,,,,,

This could well be a red herring, but it's interesting (Actually, I think it's right!):


1911 England Census about Ethel Barry
Name: Ethel Barry
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 93 Praed Street
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Registration district: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration district: Paddington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 80
Household Members:
Name Age
Ethel Barry 24
Edna Barry 8 born East Ham, Essex <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Freda Barry 6 - born Manchester <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


On the line above Ethel's name, Edward Barry has been scored out.
Age 34, no POB listed, occupation "Fil* Operator" .
I can't make out the rest of the word starting with Fil. There seems to be a letter with a tail, but it may have been overwritten with "m".

I can't see any marriage between an Edward Barry and an Ethel , 1901-1905.

There are also no births to match the daughters' names/ages/POB's.

That household also contains a family of boarders, surname Buttery. Edward & Alice, with daughters Ethel and Elsie, all born Marylebone.

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) EDWARD
Last name BARRY
Gender Male
Age 38 Birth year 1877
Occupation FILM RENTER
Departure year 1915
Departure day 9
Departure month 4
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name ST PAUL
Ship official number 116693
Ship master's first name S M
Ship master's last name PASSOW
Shipping line AMERICAN LINE
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 2363
Ship registered tonnage 5874
Number of passengers 349

(with Edgar Hounsell)


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 (Ancestry)
Name: Edward Barry
Arrival Date: 19 Apr 1915
Birth Date: abt 1877
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Leeds
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: St Paul

(26, Warwick Road, Blackpool, going to Cousin Ralph Davis, Collins? Building W 34 St. N Y)

Chris :)

(a wife)

10 May 1915 - Birmingham Gazette - Birmingham, West Midlands, England

GRAPHIC MIDLAND STORIES OF THE LUSITANIA
Mr. E. Barry, of the Midland Exclusive Film Company, one of the survivors, who lives with his wife at the Globe Hotel. Manchester-street, Birmingham, the landlord, Mr. F. W. Robbins, being an old friend of his. Mr. Barry is one of the best known men in the moving picture world.


1911
First name(s) Francis William
Last name Robbins
Relationship to household head Head
Marital condition Married
Gender Male
Age 46
Birth year 1865
Birth place Birmingham Warwickshire
Occupation Licensed Manager
Address Queens Arms Newhall St
Parish Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Census reference
RG14PN18069 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED9 SN46


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 (Ancestry)
Name: Frederica Elsa Tanenberg
Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1906
Parish: Manchester, St Paul, Brunswick Street
Parish as it Appears: Chorlton on Medlock, St Paul
Father's Name: Baron Tanenberg
Mother's name: Jessie Tanenberg
(abode, 17, St. Leonards Street)

Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1892
Registration District: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 9B
Page: 908
Line Number: 344

Marcus Tanenberg probably married one of the following people

Name: Annie Goldstone
Name: Sarah Rebecca Simon

1891 England Census about Baron Tanenberg
Name: Baron Tanenberg
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3697
Folio: 23
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin W Smith 30
Margaret Smith 25
Edwin T V Smith 3
Grace Smith 27
Frances A Rearden 20
Abraham Rymer 24
Eliza Atkisson 71
Marcus Tanenberg 38
Baron Tanenberg 14
Alexander Tanenberg 12
Rosetta Tanenberg 11
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Working on the principal that the siblings descendants might have info?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Craven Terrace, Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Marcus Tannenberg Head Married Male 28 1853 Jeweller & Silversmith Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Alice Tannenberg Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Bath, Somerset, England
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Baron Tannenberg Son Single Male 4 1877 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Alexr Tannenberg Son Single Male 2 1879 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Rosetta Tannenberg Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Carthe A Body Servant Single Female 24 1857 Domestic Servant Andover, Hampshire, England
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Mary A Coldwell Servant Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant Barnsley, Yorkshire, England

Baron Tanenberg was born in Leeds in 1877 - I have traced him to 1907, when his world changed. In 1901 he moved to Chorlton cum medlock and was a waterproof garment maker - where he lived with his aunt and uncle. On 11th October 1903 he and Jessie Maggs had their first child, Edna Alice May Tanenberg (I am still awaiting her birth certificate - as family say she was born in Chorlton but Freebdm records and Genes have her as Edna Alice May Tenenberg born in West Ham, Essex). Their second daughter Frederica Elsa was born in Chorlton Cum Medlock in 1905, her birth certificate showes Baron Tanenberg - a cinematographer - as her father and Jessie Tanenberg as her mother - although I have the marriage certificate for Baron Tanenberg and Jessie Maggs, which shows they were married in Chorlton in 1907 - and also the death certificate of Jessie who died on October 5th 1907 from TB, age 21. This death certificate gives Barons profession as cinematographer and he was present at the death, in their home 26 Braemar Road, Rusholme, South Manchester. I cannot find trace of Baron Tanenberg or his daughters in 1911. This daughter Frederica was sworn to secrecy by her sister, Edna, about a name change and difficult circumstances which they endured. Frederica only divulged this before her death in 2002. It is believed that Baron changed their name, as he was involved in the film industry in America. It is believed this is when their surname was changed to BARRIE, Aunt Freda said that he was also a survivor on the Lusitania - I have seen evidence that Edward Barrie was a survivor on the Lusitania and that he was "the best known man in the motion picture world", however she reports that after this incident he returned to Birmingham and they never saw him again (Encyclopedia Titanica - Lest we forget the Lusitania - and the passenger list published). I have seen a picture the family have of the SAAR CONCERT PARTY Imperial players under the management of Edward Barrie - excerpt from the Imperial Club Magazine Summer 1935. Edna (using the surname Barrie) first married in 1924 to John Clinton, whom died of TB a short time later - at the time of her marriage her address was 26 Warwick Road, Blackpool. On her marriage certificate - which I have seen - she gives her father as Edward Barrie, Deceased - maybe this is because she never saw him after the Lusitania. Edna married again in 1934 to Frederick Sylvester in Blackpool. Frederica (known as Freda Barrie,during her show career) married Francis G Roleston, 1934 in Blackpool - she also gives Edward Barrie as the father and his occupation as Film Director. It is believed that Edna and Frederica spent time in the Munition factories in Manchester or in a workhouse/orphanage - again I cannot find them in 1911 census.Both girls spent time in the Tiller Girls, and Freda continued with her professional dancing career often starring with Jimmy Clitheroe. Edna, once married gave up her acting career.

Edward Barrie was a partner of Edgar Hounsell, another film producer
whom often travelled abroad. There is a question as to whether Baron Tanenberg joined the American Armed Forces at some point.

If anyone can point me in the right direction to track Baron Tanenberg or Edward Barrie it would be most appreciated. I guess the main question is - were Edna and Freda adopted by Edward or did Baron Tanenberg change his name. Thanks for reading this - I hope I have made the information I already have easy to follow, although the whole thing is quite complicated. Many thanks Barrie - Edna's son.