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thats ok easely done think the 1917 was right but wilfred was born 1906 but car'nt find another marriage for ben or mabel will have to get wilf's b/c to see if she was his mother she lived in surry but carn't see her on 1901 census when ben was in hampshire
Jackie x

So are you thinking that this is your Benjamin.....

1911 England Census
Name: Benjamin Oldfield
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: George Street, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Licensed Victualler
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Registration District Number: 369
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 257
Piece: 17128
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Oldfield 34
Mabel Oldfield 39
Wilfred B Oldfield 4
Charlotte New 16

Census states Mabel was born Dorchester Dorset in 1872....where did you get Surrey from please...

The original image is signed by Mabel herself so as Rootgatherer said earlier, maybe they were not free to marry until 1917!!!

Misty x

she was christened in stalbridge dorset on 5/9/1880 her parents were john clark and ellen her father was born there also then on following census they lived in surry. the page for the other Ben is missing on the orginal census.
if they were not free to marry why? Ihaven't found any other marriages for either and as I said can not find Mabel on 1891 census any idea's
thank you for your help
Jackie

For reference....is this the family your following?

1891 England Census
Name: Mabel Clarke
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John David Clarke.......Teacher
Mother's name: Ellen Clarke
Gender: Female
Where born: Warlingham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Warlingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Warlingham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone

Household Members:
Name Age
John David Clarke 36
Ellen Clarke 35
Mabel Clarke 10
Ethel Clarke 9
Elsie Clarke 9
William Clarke 8
Alfred Clarke 7

If so

1901 England Census
Name: Mabel Clarke
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Student Of College (Student)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worlingham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington Second
Household Members:
Name Age
Mable Clarke 20

Misty x

Edit....no cant be!! can it.....


London, England, Marriages and Banns,
Name: Mabel Clarke
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 26
Spouse: Thomas George Osborne Earl
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Aug 1906
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John David Clarke.......Schoolmaster
Spouse Father: Thomas Harris Earl
Register Type: Parish Register

well if thats her she couldn't have been wilfs mom he was born in 1906 i,m more confused than ever
Jackie

nudge

Just had another look, as far as I can see, the only thing (as you said) is to buy Wilfred's birth cert to find mothers name....

Not been able find Thomas George Osbourne and Mabel Earl on 1911census.

I did think maybe Wilfred was Thomas's child who was brought up by Benjamin but no, he was born in Wolverhampton.....

Also come back to Mabel's dob being 1872, as given by her on 1911 census, would she be that far out in knowing the correct year, she is obviously reasonably educated....big difference 1872 and 1880

Misty x

Ok, found Mabel and Thomas on 1911.....name correction submitted

So this Mabel didn't " run off " to be with Benjamin.....

1911 England Census
Name: Thomas George Eral
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dartmouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Mitcham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: No 4 Eveline Road, London Road, Mitcham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Chief Writer
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration district: Mitcham
Name Age
Thomas George Eral 33
Madel Eral 30
Mary Ethel Beatrice Eral 3/12
Catherine Thomas 23

Misty x

thank you so much that confirms I'm on the track of thre wrong Mabel, wll have to get wilfs birth cert.
Thanks for all your help
Jackie x

Your welcome Jackie,

At least you know your on the correct track now!!

I'm intrigued who Wilfred's mother was, like you, I have been unable to find a marriage for Benjamin c1902/3, maybe he and Mabel just lived together until later and the 1917 marriage is theirs.....

Would be good to know what the cert reveals once you have it.....

Misty x

Was she actually Mabel Georgina born @ 1871 died June 1943 Cannock staffs??

Mabel Georgina Oldfield died 23/6/1943 of 31 Heath Gap Cannock staffs.
probate to Benjamin Oldfield a miner £164 10s 5d.

There is also a tree on Ancestry which says Benjamin at this address in 1929/1938.

Maryb

Benjamin Oldfield (1912 – 1916) Licensee BLANKMAKERS ARMS

http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads/HBCP%20Bilston%202.pdf

(looks like him above)

Chris :)

Also on site Chris put up......for Benjamin

HEN AND CHICKENS
25, (32), (32–33), George Street, (Hall Park Street), Priestfield, (New Village), (Ettingshall), BILSTON
1910-1912

OLD BOARS HEAD
88, (72), Church Street, BILSTON
1901-1910

Misty x

Hi Misty, been on hols so sorry haven't answered before got cert now Ben's mother was Mabel Woodland born in Dorset so was barking up the wrong tree with Clarke.
still can not find the marriage.
thanks chris also
Jackie

looks like some were in the workhouse in plush in 1881 but carn't find mabel

So who was Wilf's mother please, if Ben's mother was Mabel Woodland? How do you know that Ben,s mother was born in Dorset?

Who was in the workhouse in 1881 please?

Hi Jackie....hope you had a good holiday

How baffling, I cant find either a marriage nor a birth for her....

Does Wilfs birth cert state Ben and Mable were married, of course that could be easily lied about!!!

Is the address given the same one as on 1911 census ( George Street, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton )

Rootgatherer..... Birth place was taken from 1911 census, Mable states she was born 1872, Dorchester, Dorset

Misty x

Was she not the "wife" of Ben? Or was there also a son Ben that I've missed please?

Mabel was the "wife" of Ben, mother to Wilfred B Oldfield, Jackie has just received the birth cert for Wilfred.

Jackie did say the cert she has was for Ben but I'm assuming that was just a name mix up, she did say she was ordering Wilfred's cert, hence thinking it's purely a name mix....

Misty x

So these are the Woodlands in the Name: Fanny Woodland
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"
Marital Status: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2111
Folio: 93
Page Number: 34


Also there

Name: Elizabeth Woodland
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Warmwell, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"


Name: Emma Woodland
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"
Education:


Name: Georgina Woodland
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Wynford Eagle, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"