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Webb family of Hawkedon 1861 census.

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Jan 2019 23:43

FWIW ........

here is Fred on the Passenger list leaving the UK

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Fred Webb
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1861
Departure Date: 26 Sep 1894
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Philadelphia, USA
Ship Name: Southwark
Search Ship Database: Search for the Southwark in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Passow

Occupation:- Miner

No other information

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Jan 2019 23:49

The children on passenger list ........

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Josephene Webb
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birth Date: abt 1884
Departure Date: 14 Dec 1895
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Umbria
Search Ship Database: Search for the Umbria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Dutton

from image:-
Accompanied by John and William (as Wm)

No other information

They are seemingly travelling alone

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 10 Jan 2019 23:49

John is Gateshead ref 1885


Thank you for searching

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Jan 2019 23:55

Josephine at Ellis Island ........

Passenger Record

First Name : Josephine
Last Name : Webb
Nationality : England, English
Date of Arrival : December 23rd, 1895
Age at Arrival : 11
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Ship of Travel : Umbria
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0048


Passenger List

All 3 children shown as Citizen of the USA
Going to Peakville PA (Pennsylvania)

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 00:02

Yes thank you that's all the info I have their mother seems to have disappeared aswell cannot find her on 1901 census or 1891 .
Can anyone access USA Census 1900 and look got the children

Thanks a million

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 00:05

John born 1885 Gateshead is this one ............

WEBB, JOHN mmn MILBURN
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 868

BUT Josephine was also registered in 1885

WEBB, JOSEPHINE mmn PATTINSON
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 317

Researching:
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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 00:05

Don't hurry us .................

I'm looking at the US censuses!!!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 00:11

I 've been checking passenger lists returning to UK and looks like Freda brother Ernest returning to UK with wife Lottie and 10 month old son Ernest 22/8/1891

Strange

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 00:12

There is this John Joseph registered in Lanchester, like Josephine, but different mmn

WEBB, JOHN JOSEPH mmn FAWELLS
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 294

Researching:
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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 00:19

From FMP ..............

This is the Fred Webb who left the UK on the ship Southwark 26 Sept 1894, arriving in Philadelphia

Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948

First name(s) Frederico
Last name Webb
Sex Male
Age 33
Birth year 1861
Birth country American
Citizenship as transcribed American
Arrival year 1894
Arrival city Philadelphia
Arrival state Pennsylvania
Arrival country United States
Ship name Southwark
NARA publication number T840
NARA roll number 22
Country United States
Record set Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Americas, United States


He is shown as an American citizen, just as the 3 children were shown as American citizens when they landed at Ellis Island.


Are you certain that this is YOUR Fred??????????????????

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 00:36

I think it is there is no sign of Fred in the 1891 census or later ones 1901 census his son is living with Freda sister Caroline and family (Robson) 1911 James is married and his daughter is called Isabella.
James says he was born Blackhill an area near to where Fred and Isabella married


Just another mystery Josephine and the other other children are not on any other Zip census like their mother Isabella

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 00:37

Interesting ........... in view of that birth registration for John Joseph Webb mmn Fawells in 1886, Lanchester

I wonder if this is Isabella before she married ....

from FMP

1881 Census

John Fowells Head Married Male 54 1827 Iron Worker At Rolls Ireland
Anne Fowells Wife Married Female 52 1829 Needle Worker Edmundbyers, Durham, England
Eliza Fowells Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Black Hill, Durham, England
Isabella Pattinson Step Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Dress Maker Consett, Durham, England

Address:- 55 Derwent St, Black Hill

Registration District:- Lanchester

Researching:
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Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 00:48

That looks like her Fed lived not far away in 1881 census I know because I live in this area

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Jan 2019 01:19

????? isabella in 1871

Note the name of the lodger .......... John FOWLES

1871 Census

Ann Pattinson Head - Female 43 1828 - Northumberland, England
Hannah Pattinson Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Northumberland, England
William Pattinson Son - Male 17 1854 - Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Pattinson Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Durham, England
Isabella Pattinson Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Durham, England
Jane Pattinson Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Durham, England
Henry Abden Lodger - Male 25 1846 - Wales
John Fowles Lodger - Male 39 1832 - Ireland
John Martin Lodger - Male 35 1836 - Ireland

Address:- Derwent Street, Black Hill or Benfieldside

Ann is shown as Widow on the image


John and Ann(e) married in 1878 ..........

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)

FOWLES John Lanchester 10a 383
PATTINSON Ann Lanchester 10a 383

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 09:35

Interesting was Eliza b1872 John Fowles daughter one mystery after another here

Thanks again

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jan 2019 11:46

Births of Ann's children shown in 1871 census:

PATTINSON, JANE mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 290

PATTINSON, WILLIAM mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 164

PATTINSON, HANNAH mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 225

PATTINSON, ELIZABETH mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 257

PATTISON, ISABEL mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 286



There's also this birth:

PATTINSON, SARAH mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 312

Possible death ??

PATTISON, SARAH 3
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 212


So -
Eliza 1872's birth ?

PATTINSON, ELIZA JANE SARAH mms INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 348

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jan 2019 11:50

Ann's first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Ingram Ann Durham &c. 24 109
Pattinson John Durham &c 24 109

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jan 2019 11:57

Possibly her first husband's death ??


Deaths Mar 1870
Pattison John 49 Durham 10a 211

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 15:03

Thanks for all that Argyllgran

Erry61

Erry61 Report 11 Jan 2019 15:15

1871 CENSUS
another Isabella Pattinson living at 60 Derwent St, Blackhill with;
George PATTISON aged 49
Elizabeth PATTINSON aged 43
John PATTINSON aged 23
Jane PATTINSON aged 18
ISABELLA PATTINSON aged 9 born Blaydon

The other ISABELLA living at 54 Derwent St, Blackhill

totally confusing now lol

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