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I am hugely tempted to say def same people as I need (just because it fits and I want Irish in the family. I've got Scottish and Welsh in there somewhere. And possibly french. Irish would make it even better).
Due to a huge lack of funds I am unable to get my hands on francis cox's birth certificate, and bmd is fairly unhelpful.
At least I can delete them if they are wrong.

I know Harry states 4 children living.........but I am wondering about this child...

??


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Patrick Joseph Brindle Name:Patrick Joseph Brindle
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1908
Registration district:Portsmouth
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume:2b
Page:530


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Patrick Joseph Brindle Name:Patrick Joseph Brindle
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1908
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1908
Age at Death:0
Registration district:Portsmouth
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume:2b
Page:402

After 1891.........it seems he preferred the name Harry.

Wasn't his father Henry according to his marriage certificate!

1891 England Census
about Henry Cox Name:Henry Cox
Age:12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1879
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Albert Cox
Mother's name:Margaret Cox
Gender:Male
Where born:Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish:Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Town:Portsea
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England

Household Members:

Albert Cox 46 (Shoemaker) Norfolk Norwich
Albert Cox 13 Cork Ireland
Francis Cox 16 Portsmouth
Henry Cox 12
Margaret Cox 30 (Wife) Dover Kent

Well done Maureen!

:-D

Edit:

Frederick Parlett 35 (Traveller) Married 14 yrs....7 children born and living
Harry Cox 33 (Traveller) married 8 yrs....4 children born and living


1901 England Census
about Harry Cox Name:Harry Cox
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1880
Relation to Head:Lodger
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish:St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael <<<<<<<<<<<<
Town:Southampton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England

Harry Cox 21 (Traveller.....I can't read the rest of it!)

Edit:...I think it reads....Traveller Own Master

1911 England Census about Harry Cox
Name: Harry Cox
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish: St Peter le Bailey and St Ebbes
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address: 26 Pembroke St Oxford
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Occupation: Traveller
Registration district: Oxford
Registration District Number: 153
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 189
Piece: 8147

In same dwelling is a Fred. Parlett (who seems to be enumerated twice). Looks as though he was married to Henry's sister Annie (COX).

Maureen

Well done everyone! :-)

Yes I didn't think it would have been the norm-and the nice lady said she doubts it too.
Might be related somehow though.
I need to try to contact this tree owner again and try to get them to answer my enquiry. Just a yes or no would suffice. At least I'd know if I've got everything right or not :/

Ok........thank you Astra.

If Louisa Newbery was 30 at the time of her marriage in 1887.........highly unlikely she was having children at the age of 55 in 1911.

Sorry PH I was lunching!

Lewis or Bugler. So obviously previously married.

Is that the one.

Just double checked. It was 1908.
Dear Gemma,Thanks for your message. We may have found him: I checked baptisms for Southampton and found one for a Francis Albert Cox, son of Henry (pedlar) and Louisa, 9 West Street, baptised at St Michaels church 26/7/1908 (born 28/11/1904). Another child, Henry Cox (born 5/9/1906) was baptised on the same day.I did find a marriage entry between a Henry Cox and a Louisa but am not sure if it is connected. Here are the details, just in case:Henry Cox, age 40, bach, carpenter, 81 Pound St, Shirley (father John Cox, insurance agent)married Louisa Newbery, age 30, spinster, 28 Above Bar (father Henry Newbery gas fitter) on 4 Sep 1887 at All Saints Best wishes,Joanne SmithArchivistSouthampton City Council

I'm going by what the Southampton archivist told me via email. Course the year could have been mistyped and meant another year. I'll try to find the email again as I didn't write down everything it said.

Astra.......can you make any sense of the 1952 Marriage for an Eileen Lewis in 1952 Portsmouth Hampshire to a Robert W Owens???

Couldn't be 1905 Gemma as Henry wasn't born until the end of 1906

??

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Eileen Brindle Name:Eileen Brindle
Spouse Name: George H F Lewis
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district:Portsmouth
Inferred County:Southampton
Volume Number:2b
Page Number:1423

There is a possible second marriage in 1952 to Owens.....I am just trying to make sense of it.

Both Francis and Henry were baptised in 1905 as Cox's in Southampton (should have added this bit at the beginning).
Would explain why Southampton has no marriage between henry and Louisa.
I have seen the tree with this other marriage with francis, however the tree owner has hidden the other spouse and child. They haven't responded to my 2 messages and comment on the tree, so sadly I am unable to confirm all that.
It is slightly annoying when people don't reply, but maybe their subscription ran out

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Cox Henry Portsmouth 2b 504

And well done to you for finding the "Bundle" census.

Job done!! :-D

Nice one PH. That has to be him.