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Read that yesterday, basically says a respectably dressed middle aged lady was found unconscious on the tracks near Golborne. She had a tattoo saying "J McKay". Thought to have fallen from the midnight train as the door to a third class carriage was found open. She was taken to Wigan hospital and not thought to survive.

Next papers named her as Margaret Messenger and confirmed she had been returning from a visit to Glasgow.

It must have been quite unusual for a woman to have a tattoo then (or am I naive?)

Y’S NEWS.
“...
icpress from Carlisle tt third-class carriage doot train reaching the lalta mown, but possessed an exv to Warrington, issued oemarks, J. Mc.Kay,” wer« he is now lying in Wigar. rendition, and little hope LAYING SHEDS. ...”

19 July 1888 - The Lancashire Evening Post - Unknown

(above is Newspaper article on Margaret, but on previous page)

Chris :)

(certainly a mystery!)

1871 (all born Rutherglen)

Name: Margt Mck Edmond
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James Edmond
Mother's name: Margaret Edmond
Gender: Female
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 654/1
Registration district: Rutherglen Burgh
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: New Farm Row
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 122
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_150
Household Members:
Name Age
James Edmond 33, Coal Miner, b. Rutherglen
Margaret Edmond 28
Thomas Edmond 7
Margt Mck Edmond 3
Charlotte S Edmond 1


Looks like father James may have died by 1881?

Name: Margt Edmond
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Head
Mother's name: Margt Edmond
Gender: Female
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 654
Registration district: Rutherglen
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 12 Greenhill Rd
Occupation: Feather Dresser
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 116½
LINE: 8
Roll: cssct1881_268
Household Members:
Name Age
Margt Edmond 39
Thos Edmond 17
Charlotte Edmond 11
James Edmond 5
Margt Edmond 79 Mother

My theory, might be half-baked, but perhaps worth looking at even if just to prove wrong.

Margaret Messenger is James Edmonds' mother. We can't find them in 1871 because they were in America. She had a son Samuel there who is recorded as Messenger on the 1881 (what happened to him?)

What happened to John Graham Messenger's first wife Mary Jane (nee Ritson)?

Would be useful if Jean could come back and help fill in some gaps.

Thank you Chris - it all helps, even if not connected in the end.

Dea x

(below could relate somehow?, and as Dea wants something to get her teeth into lol, this might help!)

Chris :)

1891 (reference)
First Name EDWARD
Last Name MCKAY
Relationship SON
Condition SINGLE
Gender Male
Age 15
Year Of Birth 1876
Occupation BOTTLE MAKER
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Street LEGH STREET
Town EARLESTOWN
Parish NEWTON IN MAKERFIELD
County Lancashire
Registration District WARRINGTON
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 3069
Folio 38
Page 7
JOHN MCKAY HEAD 40 1851 (Baker) Scotland
MARY E MCKAY WIFE 36 1855 Lancs. Bolton
EDWARD MCKAY SON 15 1876 Lancs. Bolton


Jean Report 15 Aug 2013 19:47
Trying to find information regarding the late John Mckay from Warrington. Cheshire. married to Elizabeth. John was a baker by trade and was born in Scotland, Maybe in Motherwell , not sure on this point. However I am trying to find relatives of my great Grandmother, Margaret Messenger, who died in 1888 and is buried in Warrington cemetry. as far as I know , John had a son called Edward McKay. If anyone can help with this enquiry, it would be very much appreciated.
regards J. McKee


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1260072

(Jean came in on above, with her query)

edits (sorry folks, not wishing to confuse with your works, hit 'ignore' button if not relating!)

A woman called Ann Shaw lived at 26 Aikin Street in 1891.

Thanks MC,

I thought I had found James before marriage but the father there was William so obviously not!

I can't seem to find him at the moment with a father 'James' but will keep looking.

Dea x

Just in case it's a sibling of James:

Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Name: Margaret Mckay Edmond
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1867
Birth Place: Rutherglen,Lanark,Scotland
Father: James Edmond
Mother: Margaret Hamilton
FHL Film Number: 6035516

EDIT: Think this might be a red herring can't see a brother James for her on census.

Dea's theory about the parentage of baby Stanley Joseph McKay Edmonds is correct. Further info on his parents' marriage:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: James Edmonds
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Eliza Emma Neal
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Oct 1894
Parish: Wandsworth All Saints
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: James Edmonds (Deceased) - Engineer
Spouse Father: Joseph Neal - Gardener
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married.

James was a rubber mixer and his address was 26 AIKIN STREET, WARRINGTON.

Eliza Emma's was 2 Garden Place, Wandsworth.

Witnesses: Ellen Neal and Thomas H Neal.

I got there....

FMP
Select 'Census, land & surveys'
Select 'A-Z of record sets'
Select '1901 Census'
At the bottom of the page are the boxes to search by address

There are probably other ways to get there!

Chris

Not the way I got there........

Yes, I'm technically challenged now with what was a simple to use site. I read one of the feedback forums (now disappeared) on FMP and got some hints and tips from helpful people who were writing in with their own complaints about the site, but took the time to guide others where possible. Still struggling though.

Thanks greyghost,

I 'think' that I have just done what you said and I now hade 4,461,043 results :-0 :-D :-D

I used to be able to do it istantly before they 'improved' the search facility ;-)

Have grand-children here at the moment so will try again when they have gone home - I am sure your instructions will work once I get the hang of it ;-)

Many thanks,

Dea x

On FMP -
Click on Search Records in blue band at top of page
From drop down menu, click on Census, land and surveys and when page opens
Just above that black writing heading, click on All Collections in blue
From drop down menu click on Census
Get (at last) to heading Census in Census, land and surveys

When - Complete Year as 1901 (forget the +/- 2 years!)
Where - Next line enter Lancashire in box next to Britain
Address - complete line for House Number and line for Street - don't forget to select name of street otherwise it doesn't remember and you will get 100's of choices. In your case for that address you get 5 results - as shown by Reggie to be the 5 members of the Yates family.

It is the best way to do bmd's as well - select search records. Select bmd and parish from drop down menu. Go to All Collections and then select the records you want to look at from that drop down menu.

Hope this helps

On FMP................

PLEASE share Reggie - HOW did you search for the address and on what site ?

Dea x

26 Aikin Street

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name FRANK
Last Name YATES
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 42
Year Of Birth 1859
Occupation MACHINE MINDER WIRE ROPE
Birth Town WARRINGTON
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place -
Street AIKIN STREET
Town WARRINGTON
Parish WARRINGTON
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Lancashire
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward WHITECROSS
Registration District WARRINGTON
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 3581
Folio 90
Page 21

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
FRANK YATES HEAD 42 1859 WARRINGTON Image Transcription
MARY ANN YATES WIFE 40 1861 WARRINGTON Image Transcription
ALBERT YATES SON 16 1885 WARRINGTON Image Transcription
LILY YATES DAUGHTER 12 1889 WARRINGTON Image Transcription
WALTER YATES SON 8 1893 WARRINGTON Image Transcription

Meanwhile,

Hello Jean and welcome to the Community boards.




I will let Jean know that she has replies to her query.... :-)

It's O.K. MC - I think a 'team effort' is probably called for here! ;-) :-D

Dea x