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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 23:21 |
I had thought it was a medal for a race - ie - running - but if not, then maybe it was Flora's husband George who won whatever it was.
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10 May 2014 23:16 |
Detroit is definitely a link because we have a medal of some sort with his name on it .. Longest train journey or something, can't remember offhand though!
The death in 1920 is certainly her as the Cathcart area is stated on her death certificate!
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 23:09 |
There's this, with no other information on the image. There's a similar record of a George McFarlane going to Detroit in 1917. Probably nothing to do with the George who won the race.
Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 about George Mcfarlane Name: George Mcfarlane Arrival Date: 16 Jan 1920 Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_59
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 23:05 |
Flora's death;
1920 MCFARLANE FLORA BAXTER F 73 CATHCART (LANARK) GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 633/0B 0303
Maybe George went to Detroit after her death.
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No, he'd have been too old to run in a race, as rootgatherer has already pointed out.
EDIT AGAIN: but see Catfr2009's reply below - not running, apparently, so maybe it was him after all.
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MargaretM
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10 May 2014 23:01 |
It could be that the name Carruthers came from the next generation back. In the case of my grandfather his middle name was not his mother's maiden name but his grandmother's.
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 22:53 |
From the info in 1891 and 1901 censuses, this will be Jane's father's birth. Still no clue as to the reason for the name Carruthers - thought it might have been his mother's ms, but no!
17/01/1832 MCFARLAN GEORGE JAMES MCFARLAN/ELISABETH BELL FR364 (FR364) M KILMARTIN /ARGYLL
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 22:41 |
EDIT: This is not the right Flora (see her marriage cert details in a later post below) . The correct Flora was born in Argyll.
This is the only Flora Baxter born in Renfrewshire 1845 - 68. You'd have to buy credits on SP and view her marriage cert, to see if this is the right one, per parents' names.
28/07/1850 BAXTER FLORA MALCOLM BAXTER/EUPHEMIA GALBRAITH FR2414 (FR2414) F ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0070 0449
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 22:34 |
Jane's parents' marriage:
1885 MCFARLANE GEORGE BAXTER FLORA GREENOCK EAST /RENFREW 564/02 0060
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 22:28 |
Jane's birth:
1887 MCFARLANE JANE CARRUTHERS F WEST KILBRIDE /AYR 620/00 0062
The name Carruthers is therefore nothing to do with George's father.
ADDED: Born 7th Sept 1887, to George McFarlane, working joiner, and Flora McFarlane, ms Baxter. Parents were married June 18th 1885, in Greenock.
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alviegal
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10 May 2014 22:24 |
Wonder if this has anything to do with Jeanie McVean?
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about James Mcvean Name: James Mcvean Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Jun 1856 Birth Place: Largs,Ayr,Scotland Father: John Mcvean >>Mother: Jean Mcfarlane FHL Film Number: 6035516
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about John Mcvean Name: John Mcvean Gender: Male Marriage Date: 29 May 1846 Marriage Place: Largs,Ayr,Scotland Spouse: Jane Mcfarlane FHL Film Number: 1041392
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name JOHN Last Name MCVEAN Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 29 Year Of Birth 1822 Occupation GAMEKEEPER TO THE EARL OF GLASW Birth Place - Birth Town KILMIRTIN Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE House Number - House Name HAYLEE FARM Street HAYLEE FARM Town LARGS Parish LARGS(AYR) City - County Ayrshire Hamlet - Parliamentary Borough - Municipal Ward - Registration District CUNNINGHAM
JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 29 1822 KILMIRTIN Transcription JEAN MCFARLINE WIFE 28 1823 KILMIRTIN ARGYLLSHIRE Transcription ELIZABETH MCVEAN DAUGHTER 4 1847 LARGS Transcription MARGARET MCVEAN DAUGHTER 2 1849 LARGS
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name JOHN Last Name MCVEAN Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 58 Year Of Birth 1823 Occupation MOLE CATHER Birth Town KILMARTIN G Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE Birth Place - House Number - House Name VILLAGE OF STOCKVULLIN Street - Town - Parish KILMARTIN
JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 58 1823 Transcription JANE MCVEAN WIFE 57 1824 KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE G MARGT MCVEAN DAUGHTER 32 1849 LARGS JAMES MCVEAN SON 21 1860 CO MEATH IRELAND G GEO MCFARLANE NEPHEW 4 1877 GLASGOW
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name JOHN Last Name MCVEAN Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Age 67 Year Of Birth 1824 Occupation MOLE CATCHER Birth Town KILMARTIN Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE Birth Place - House Name STOCKVULLIN Street - Town - Parish KILMARTIN City - County Argyllshire Registration District KILMARTIN
JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 67 1824 Transcription JEANIE MCVEAN WIFE 66 1825 BARDROCHIL Birth County DUMFRIESSHIRE GEORGE MCFARLANE NEPHEW 14 1877 Occupation SADDLER Birth Town - Birth County LANARKSHIRE
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Catfr2009
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10 May 2014 22:10 |
All those records are right! Interesting to see the Carruthers bit.... Could that be potentially her changing her name to George's possible father to get rid of the stigma of having an illegitimate child??
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rootgatherer
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10 May 2014 22:10 |
Jane's father would have been in his 80s in 1920. Perhaps the medal belonged to another relative?
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alviegal
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10 May 2014 22:01 |
So this is Jane's family for ref.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name FLORA Last Name MCFARLANE Relationship WIFE Condition MARRIED Gender Female Age 44 Year Of Birth 1847 Occupation - Birth Town LOCHGILPHEAD Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE Birth Place - House Name DUNALBHA Street - Town - Parish WEST KILBRIDE City - County Ayrshire Registration District WEST KILBRIDE
GEORGE MCFARLANE HEAD 58 1833 Occupation JOINER Birth Town KILMARTIN Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE
FLORA MCFARLANE WIFE 44 1847
NEIL MCFARLANE SON 4 1887 Birth County AYRSHIRE
JANE MCFARLANE DAUGHTER 3 1888 Birth County AYRSHIRE
And George in 1881
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name GEORGE Last Name MCFARLANE Relationship HEAD >>Condition WIDOWER Gender Male Age 49 Year Of Birth 1832 Occupation JOINER Birth Town KILMARLAN G Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE Birth Place - House Number 11 House Name - Street MYRTLE STREET Town - Parish CITY County Lanarkshire Country SCOTLAND Registration District KELVIN Archive Reference RG11
GEORGE MCFARLANE HEAD 49 1832 KILMARLAN G Transcription JEANIE MCVEAN VISITOR 28 1853 Occupation HOUSEMAID Birth Town LARGS Birth County AYRSHIRE
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name GEORGE Last Name MCFARLANE Relationship BOARDER Condition UNMARRIED Gender Male Age 38 Year Of Birth 1833 Occupation JOINER Birth Town KILMARTIN Birth Place - Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE House Number 79 House Name - Street GROVE STREET Parish ST GEORGE GLASGOW Town - City - County Lanarkshire Country SCOTLAND Registration District MILTON
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MargaretM
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10 May 2014 22:00 |
1891 Scotland Census about Jane McFarlane Name: Jane McFarlane Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: George McFarlane Mother's name: Flora McFarlane Gender: Female Where born: West Kilbride, Ayrshire Registration Number: 620 Registration district: West Kilbride Civil Parish: West Kilbride County: Ayrshire Address: Dunalblia ED: 5 Household schedule number: 157 LINE: 4 Roll: CSSCT1891_217 Household Members: Name Age George McFarlane 58 Flora McFarlane 44 Neil McFarlane 4 Jane McFarlane 3
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rootgatherer
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10 May 2014 21:58 |
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Name: Jane Mcfarlane Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: George Mcfarlane Mother's name: Flora Mcfarlane Gender: Female Where born: West Kilbride, Ayrshire Registration Number: 620 Registration district: West Kilbride Civil Parish: West Kilbride County: Ayrshire Address: Well St Williamfield Occupation: Scholar ED: 5 Household schedule number: 142 LINE: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_238 Household Members: Name Age George Mcfarlane 64, Joiner Flora Mcfarlane 53 Neil Mcfarlane 14 Jane Mcfarlane 13
Could Jane have claimed poor relief when she had her son? I am not sure when the records go up to but many have survived for the Glasgow area and are held at The Mitchell Library. They have been indexed.
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Mitchell Poor Relief Records
Glasgow City Archives hold registers for the following areas: Glasgow, 1851-1948 Barony, 1861-1898 (part of Glasgow from 1899) Govan, 1876-1930 (part of Glasgow from 1930) Bute, West Dunbartonshire, South Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire (not Paisley), often dating from 1845 A return of the most destitute families and individuals within the police jurisdiction of Glasgow was prepared by the Police Superintendent, 1841, and can be viewed in the archives search room. When visiting the archives search room, you can access databases of applications for Glasgow, Barony and Govan to c.1925 and for the County Council areas up to 1900. Records are generally closed for 100 years for children and 75 years for adults.
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MargaretM
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10 May 2014 21:50 |
Is this Jane's death?
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Jane Carruthers McFarlane Name: Jane Carruthers McFarlane Probate Date: 29 Aug 1962 Death Date: 19 Jun 1962 Death Place: Renfrewshire, Scotland Registry: London, England
Original reads:
"McFarlane or MacFarlane, Jane Carruthers otherwise Janie Carruthers of 51 Hillview Drive, Clarkston, Renfrewshire died 19 June, 1962 at Glasgow. Confirmation George McFarlane. Sealed London 29 August."
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Catfr2009
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10 May 2014 21:50 |
Mother in law says she can't find his birth certificate so we'll have to order it annoyingly! The Carruthers is from Jane's death cert - She is Jane Carruthers McFarlane... None of us knew about that!
Jane's parents were George and Flora. Jane was born in West Kilbride with her brother Neil born the year before in 1887. It appears that George (1919) is the only one to be born in Glasgow....
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rootgatherer
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10 May 2014 21:42 |
Could this be relevant ?
1901
Name: George Carruthers Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relationship: Son Father's Name: George Carruthers Mother's name: Margaret Carruthers Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil Parish: Glasgow Dennistoun County: Lanarkshire Address: 4 Comely Park Place <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Occupation: Loery Boy ED: 20 Household schedule number: 111 LINE: 10 Roll: CSSCT1901_273 Household Members: Name Age George Carruthers 52 Margaret Carruthers 41 John Carruthers 17 George Carruthers 14 Charles Carruthers 12 Thomas Carruthers 8 Edward Carruthers 3
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10 May 2014 21:33 |
Yes
The first line says (A) Carruthers- Corp RASC – rank Pte – Reg no M2/034855 2nd line says (B) George – Corp RFC – rank and reg no left blank
According to Wiki, the RFC started off life as an arm of the British Army (hence the Royal Army Service Corps designation) until it merged Royal Naval Air Service on 1 Apr 1918 to form the RAF.
The 1918 date is probably too simplistic!
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rootgatherer
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10 May 2014 21:30 |
Can you give us the names of Jane's parents please? Did she live in Glasgow? What address is given for her on George's birth certificate please?
Jane would have been old enough to vote by 1918. Have you checked out the voters rolls please?
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