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Not sure if any other Rickards made it to Lancashire, Cynthia, though I know a few of the Sharps did, so you never know! Still searching in preference to housework and thought I'd found a wife and family for Charles and Maria Fry's second son, John but then, in the 1911 census, I discovered the John and Lilian Fry I'd been chasing with a brother, Eli, listed after their rather large family... Pity, as all the places mentioned, well, maybe not Cardiff, were all places I knew to look for family members and it had looked right up till then! Nil desperandum, I'll try Edith, the eldest daughter next i think! :-D
Susan

If you check http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html Susan, you will see that there are pockets of Rickards in the Lancashire area.

There were Rickards in the Aspull/Hindley area before the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth - I wonder if they moved to be with family in the area?

Hi Cynthia,
I think quite a few of the branches of my dad's family did just that so possibly some of the Rickards listed in Hindley/Aspull were relatives. It's difficult because I can't find John Rickards' birth - for the reason, I'm assuming, that he was either John Thomas (father Thomas Thomas on marriage lines) or registered in mother's name, which I don't have - unless, of course, it was Rickards and she never married Thomas Thomas!! No joy with census as I can find him only as an adult, with wife and family - and even that isn't easy with transcribers taking the old-fashioned 'k' for an 'h' to make Richards! Wouldn't be half so much fun if it was too easy, would it? :-D

Well, it shows how little time I've had for my searching, these last 6 years! Back to square one with Charles Fry as am unfortunately aware now that the one whose mother, Frances, married William Harris could not be MY ancestor. It all seemed to fit, except that one or two contacts thought he was connected to their Harris ancestors who had emigrated.

I have Frances to thank, or blame as she listed herself as a widow when William Harris was alive and kicking and later went out with her, their daughters and stepson Charles to the USA where they lived out their lives, marrying, having children and my ancestor definitely stayed in the UK! The chap born in 1824 seemed a good fit except for the age - widowed mum or more likely a gran, born in 1781 (or a bit later) and good few siblings, two of whom (Worthy b.1827 and John b. 1824) I found in Chepstow, listed as visitors along with a Jacob Fry b.1830 - maybe a cousin, who knows, at the home of a couple surnamed Powell.

The big issue is Hullavington, Wiltshire and a few Charles Frys of the same generation. I know, from later census records that that IS where MY Charles Fry was from but which of them, your guess is as good as mine! I am left with the mystery of HOW my taid could have been so certain that his family, my family, were NOT related to the Quaker chocolate-making Frys when I cannot go back beyond his grandfather, Charles. All I can hope is other descendants of Charles Fry and Maria Williams may have the answers that I don't and that one day we'll connect in here.

I can see that I looked at this thread in 2014, but have no recollecion of my train of thought at the time

So....starting again, with the census to which you refer

1851
Name: Jacob Fry
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Nk, Gloucestershire, England Actually WILTSHIRE
Civil Parish: Tidenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Tidenham
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County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Shire
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
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Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 2443
Folio: 434
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
James Powell 60
Elizabeth Powell 60
John Foy 27
Worthy Fry 24
Jacob Fry 21

NOTE The location is Tidenham. Chepstow is only the registration district

Possible marriage of the couple the Fry brothers were visiting

Name: James Powell
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Oct 1808
Marriage Place: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Eliz Bendall

It would probably be helpful if you gave some proof of how you worked back to Charles Fry

1841
Hullavington, Malmesbury, Wiltshire, England

Sarah Fry Female 60 1781 Wiltshire, England
Timothy Fry Male 23 1818 Wiltshire, England
John Fry Male 21 1820 Wiltshire, England
Mary Fry Female 20 1821 Wiltshire, England
Charlotte Fry Female 17 1824 Wiltshire, England
Charles Fry Male 17 1824 Wiltshire, England
William Fry Male 16 1825 Wiltshire, England
Worthy Fry Male 14 1827 Wiltshire, England

BUT - John's age doesn't fit with 1851

You started your OP as follows:

I know, from his marriage to Maria Williams, that Charles' father was one Thomas Fry b. about 1804, probably in Wiltshire.

So, what was Thomas's occupation?
How old was Charles?
What was HIS occupation?

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
Fry Charles Newport M 11a 230
Williams Maria Newport M 11a 230

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Chase, Tidenham, Chepstow, Gloucestershire, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Fry Head - Male 41 1830 - Wiltshire, England
Maria Fry Wife - Female 31 1840 - Gloucestershire, England
William Fry Son - Male 11 1860 - Gloucestershire, England
John Fry Son - Male 9 1862 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary A Fry Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Gloucestershire, England
Edith E Fry Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Gloucestershire,

JOHN
Last name FRY
Birth year 1862
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Williams
District Chepstow
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales

MARY ANN
Last name FRY
Birth year 1864
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Williams
District Chepstow
County Monmouthshire

Name: Charles Fry
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria Fry
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Alvington, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Tidenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Tidenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Chepstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
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Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 3977
Folio: 64
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Fry 28
Maria Fry 22
William Fry 4 months

FRY, WILLIAM WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 17

Name: Lilian Rose Fry
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1877
Baptism Place: Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Tidenham
Father: Charles Fry
Mother: Maria Fry

Charles
Last name Fry
Event year 1859
Birth year -
Marriage year 1859
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Williams
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Marriage place Newport, St Woolos
Page 229
Age Full
Banns year -
Marriage date 01 Aug 1859
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Fry
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Williams
Spouse's father's first name(s) Michael

On the image, Thomas was a Labourer - and is not recorded as being deceased, but that may not necessarily be accurate, as it could be down to how the question about 'father' was worded.

1841 as mentioned earlier

Rhydy Squarey Farm, Llanvihangel Lantarnum, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Harris Male 30 1811 -
Frances Harris Female 30 1811 Monmouthshire, Wales
Charles Fry Male 10 1831 -
Emma Harris Female 2 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales
Ann Harris Female 1 1840 Monmouthshire, Wales

???

HARRIS, EMMA FRANCIS
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in NEWPORT Volume 26 Page 81

HARRIS, ANN FRANCIS
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 26 Page 661

Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
First name(s) William
Last name Harris
Event year 1837
Birth year -
Marriage year 1837
Spouse's first name(s) Frances
Spouse's last name Fry
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Marriage place Newport, St Woolos
Page 5
Age Full
Banns year -
Marriage date 07 Aug 1837
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Harris
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Francis
Spouse's father's first name(s) William

Bearing in mind that ages in 1841 were rounded, is this a possibility?

First name(s) Frances
Last name Francis
Birth year 1804
Birth date ? ? 1804
Baptism year 1804
Baptism date 12 Feb 1804
Place Roggiett
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms

only 2 bapt on ancestry for wiltshire

Name: Charles Fry
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Mar 1832
Baptism Place: Westport St Mary, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Westport St Mary
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Father: Thomas Fry
Mother: Betty Fry

Name: Charles Fry
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1833
Baptism Place: Codford-St. Peter, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Fry
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1279400

edit - not this one still with parents in 1871

Just to add that the father on the 1832 image was a Labourer

No image for the 1833 baptism

Sibling for the 1832 child

Name: William Frederick Fry
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1834
Baptism Place: Westport St Mary, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Fry
Mother: Betty Fry