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I can't seem to spot a William Raynor born 1858 with a wife Edith on the 1901 and 1911??

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One thing to check is a marriage in Bromley in 1895 for William Wallace Rayner to Edith J Fowle - they appear together on 1901/1911 census and he dies in 1912. But this William Wallace Rayner was born c1853, however we do not know the age of the one who married Caroline. Sorry, he was born c1858 not 1853

Would have discounted it, but just noticed that the possible William was with the Stanley's in Bromley!

Prickly Holly, Thank you for 1911 census for Riviera Burt, see her sister Gertrude Grant Burt is also working in the same household, fantastic

Rose

It seems they gave son William to the Stanley family..........and then they disappear!

I looked to see if William appears with the surname of "Stanley" on the 1911 census, but no luck there!

Henry and Emma Stanley may have died by then because they do not appear on the 1911.

Prickly Holly... Is this unusual not to be found on 1901 and 1911?

Thanks

Rose

1911 England Census
about Riviern Burt Name:Riviern Burt[Riviera Burt]
Age in 1911:21
Estimated birth year:abt 1890
Relation to Head:Servant
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Poplar
Civil Parish:Bethnal Green
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:
League Of Charity Mission House, Church St, Shoreditch, Bethnal Green
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:COOK DOMESTIC
Registration district:Bethnal Green

Household Members:

Edith Alme Smith 56 (Sister of Charity)
Mary Lousia Markham 51 (Mission Worker)
Riviern Burt 21
Gertrude Grant Burt 18 (Housemaid)

Prickles. x

They don't seem to appear on any census record after the marriage either.

Flip... Thank you for the marriage details, only just seen it!

Rose

Many thanks everybody. 1901 census not found so cannot trace siblings, thats a shame!

AnnCardiff........ On the 1911 census are you able to tell me where Riviera was as I have just realised she is not on the census with her mother at 37 Cobden Street , Poplar. Could be her place of work?

Thank you
Rose

This looks like his parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
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CANNON James Poplar 1c 1006 Scan available - click to view
Phillips Caroline Poplar 1c 1006 Scan available - click to view
Rayner William Wallace Poplar 1c 1006 Scan available - click to view

But not seeing deaths for them.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Hugh William T Rayner Name:Hugh William T Rayner
Estimated birth year:abt 1895
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1895
Age at Death:0
Registration district:Poplar
Inferred County:London
Volume:1c
Page:413

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about William Wallace Rayner Name:William Wallace Rayner
Estimated birth year:abt 1893
Age at enlistment:21
Birth Parish:Poplar
Birth County:Middlesex
Document Year:1914
Regimental Number:9258
Regiment Name:Dragoon of the Line
Number of Images:10

Give me a few mins to look through the images.......

Ah, Flip has already looked.

The Aunt's name might be Hettie?

When he enlisted in 1914, he named his uncle Harry Olding, and aunt (Hester/Nellie, can't make it out) of 40 Hanover buildings, Poplar as his nok.

Name: William Wallace Rayner
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1872
Registration District: Poplar
County: London
Event Place: Poplar, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1C
Page: 632
Line Number: 285

Born 8 May - father is a postman, address 84 Sussex Street, Poplar

William Rayner

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
24 May 1893

Father's Name:
William Rayner

Mother's name:
Caroline Rayner

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Poplar St Saviour

Borough:
Tower Hamlets

Register Type:
Parish Registers

Name: Riviern Burt
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birthplace: London Poplar, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-District: Bethnal Green South West
Parish: Bethnal Green
County: London

sibling?

Name: Hugh William T Rayner
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1894
Registration District: Poplar
County: London
Event Place: Poplar, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1C
Page: 638
Line Number: 170

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Rayner Name:William Rayner
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:24 May 1893
Born: 8 May 1893
Father's Name:William Rayner ....(Postman) 84 Sussex Street, Poplar.
Mother's name:Caroline Rayner
Parish or Poor Law Union:Poplar St Saviour
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Register Type:Parish Registers

Name: William Wallace Rayner
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1893
Registration District: Poplar
County: London
Event Place: Poplar, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1C
Page: 686
Line Number: 44

Might this be him.......

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1901 England Census
about William Raynor Name:William Raynor
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1894
Relation to Head:Adopted
Gender:Male
Birth Place:London, England
Civil Parish:Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish:St Gabriel Bromley
Town:London
County/Island:London
Country:England

Household Members:

Henry Stanley 68 (Born Canada)
Emma Stanley 60
Jane Stanley 27
Maud Stanley 20
William Raynor 7
Herbert Bowers 23