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He may have been born under a different surname and mother married a Cowling

but then we have the problem that there is only 1 James Cowling a Mason.

There are several Cowling's who are Masons or Quarry men

then there is the fact that births not made to register until 1875 or be fined , only baptism's to help if not registered.

Mavis

Thanks Mavis. I've just traced him and although he is in yorkshire in 1881 he en moves back down to London so it's not him. I have wondered if Cowling was a middle name or even if he was from Cowling.

of interest ???????? a birth


Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
Kent John Cowling Chelsea 1a 230


Mavis

Dorothy's marriage ??



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
Atcherley Priscilla Warwick 6d 489
>>>>Cowling John Warwick 6d 489
>>>>Hammond Dorothy Warwick 6d 489
Matthews William Warwick 6d 489

Many thanks everyone. Ricochet I got as far as ordering the will of Dorothy Cowling but her son John Cowling moved to New Guinea which is why he seems to disappear from any later census etc. her husband John the shoe sales man always seems to live apart from them which is very strange! It was also odd that there was a James Cowling who was a mason so could he have been illegitimate or did he know the James Cowling and use his details? it's all a bit strange! I really appreciate all the help and advice you're all giving.

I'm quite happy to be proved wrong........but PROOF is the key factor

You say, Mary, on the previous page that a James Cowling stonemason married an Eliza, but has no son John

He could easily have fathered a John with another woman

I can't find any evidence of Dorothy Hammond marrying, despite her assertions on censuses that she is married.

Yes - or maybe no - have looked at all of the suggestions and there is a lot of 2+2 = 5 :-( The Pateley Bridge angle seemed ok but wives are wrong

Just googled John from Ripon,there are posts on another site discounting the connection between Dorothy and the correct John the poster is looking for + all the info above!!

Maryb

Grinton, Richmond etc are still a fair distance from Ripon, so this may all be wrong.

But I enjoyed digging it out, and there's always a chance that it is the right family, until proved otherwise......

James Cowling born 1840 in Pateley Bridge /Ripon.
he is a Stone mason married O/N/D 1864 to Eliza Needham only thing is they have no son John!!
Parents of James were Thomas Cowling (Stone mason) and Ann.

Maryb.

First Name DOROTHY
Last Name COWLING
Country England
Record set Cleveland Memorial Inscriptions
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Year 1914
First Names Dorothy
Year Of Birth 1840
Age 74
Place GRINTON
Notes -
Year 1914
Year Of Death 1914
Years 74
Description St Andrew

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
Alderson Hannah Reeth 9d 927 Scan available - click to view
Alderson Thomas Reeth 9d 927 Scan available - click to view
Hammond Jane Reeth 9d 927 Scan available - click to view
WOODWARD Ralph Reeth 9d 927

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name DOROTHY
Last Name COWLING
Relationship SERVANT
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1841
Age 50
Occupation COOK DOMESTIC SERVANT
Birth Town -
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Birth Place ?
House Name HIGH FIELD
Street DENTON PARK
Town DENTON
Parish DENTON
City -
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District WHARFEDALE
Vessel Name -
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 3527
Folio 73
Page 5

Nowhere does she show up as living with her husband - you may think it worthwhile to get her death cert, to see if his name is on it.

It should normally say 'wife of' or 'widow of', and the man's name

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name DOROTHY
Last Name COWLING
Relationship SERVANT
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 40
Year Of Birth 1841
Occupation HOUSEKEEPER (DOMES)
Birth Town HARKERSIDE
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Birth Place -
House Number -
House Name FRENCHGATE
Street -
Town -
Parish RICHMOND
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North riding)
Country ENGLAND
Registration District RICHMOND
Archive Reference RG11
Piece Number 4879
Folio 32
Page 18

Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%)
Cowling Dorothy 73 Reeth 9d 896


This census shows that the JOHN found in two earlier census records is the same boy on both

First Name DOROTHY
Last Name COWLING
Relationship SISTER
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 60
Year Of Birth 1841
Occupation LIVING ON OWN MEANS
Birth Town GRINTON
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Birth Place -
Street FREMINGTON
Town FREMINGTON
Parish REETH
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North riding)
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District REETH
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 4608
Folio 29
Page 4
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
JANE ALDERSON HEAD 73 1828 GRINTON


She is living with Jane Alderson in 1911 also.......................

The snag now is that there isn't a marriage for Dorothy to a Mr Cowling

She could have just called herself Cowling, I suppose

I'll take that back

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name MARK
Last Name HAMMOND
Age 5
Year Of Birth 1836
Gender Male
Occupation -
House Number -
House Name -
Street DIKE HOUSE
Parish GRINTON
City -
Town HARKERSIDE
Registration District REETH
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country ENGLAND
Birth County YORKSHIRE
Archive Reference HO107
Schedule 493
Piece Number 1253
Folio 9
Page 14
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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First Name Last Name Age Year Of Birth
ANN HAMMOND 11 1830 Image Transcription
DOROTHY HAMMOND 35 1806 Image Transcription
DOROTHY HAMMOND 1 1840 Image Transcription
ELIZABETH HAMMOND 3 1838 Image Transcription
GEORGE HAMMOND 35 1806 Image Transcription
MARY HAMMOND 7 1834 Image Transcription
THOMAS HAMMOND 9 1832 Image Transcription

It doesn't seem that Dorothy was Mark Hammond's sister

First Name MARK
Last Name HAMMOND
Relationship SON
Condition -
Gender Male
Age 15
Year Of Birth 1836
Occupation LEAD MINER
Birth Place -
Birth Town HARKERSIDE
Birth County YORKSHIRE
House Number -
House Name HARKER SIDE
Street -
Town -
Parish GRINTON
City -
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North riding)
Hamlet HARKER SIDE
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District REETH
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 2380
Folio 379
Page 17
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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ANN HAMMOND DAUGHTER 21 1830 HARKERSIDE Image Transcription
EASTHER HAMMOND DAUGHTER 8 1843 HARKERSIDE Image Transcription
ELIZABETH HAMMOND DAUGHTER 13 1838 HARKERSIDE Image Transcription
GEORGE HAMMOND HEAD 49 1802 FREMINGTON Image Transcription
GEORGE HAMMOND SON 6 1845 HARKERSIDE Image Transcription
THOMAS HAMMOND SON 19 1832 HARKERSIDE Image Transcription

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Hammond Mark Reeth 9d 993 Scan available - click to view
Richardson Jane Reeth 9d 993

Another speculative post

First Name JOHN
Last Name COWLING
Relationship NEPHEW
Condition -
Gender Male
Age 5
Occupation -
Year Of Birth 1866
Birth Town -
Birth Place -
Birth County YORKSHIRE
House Number -
House Name -
Street FREMINGTON BANK HOUSE, HIGH
Parish REETH
Town -
City -
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country ENGLAND
Registration District REETH
Archive Reference RG10
Piece Number 4873
Folio 16
Page 25
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
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First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
DOROTHY COWLING SISTER 30 1841 Image Transcription
DOROTHY A HAMMOND DAUGHTER 6 1865 Image Transcription
GEORGE W HAMMOND SON 4 1867 Image Transcription
ISABELLA HAMMOND DAUGHTER 3 1868 Image Transcription
JANE HAMMOND WIFE 30 1841 Image Transcription
MARK HAMMOND HEAD 35 1836 Image Transcription
MARY E HAMMOND DAUGHTER 2 1869 Image Transcription
SARAH J HAMMOND DAUGHTER 0 1871

Dorothy is 'married',