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I do not think the marriage to Edith Boutcher is my Edmund as the age is not right he was born in 1865 in London and I have no recorder of him being a butcher he seems to have been a servant (groom domestic)
I have still not had any success in finding the death of Edmund Snr
Any further help with these two Edmunds would be much appreciated and many thanks to you all for passed help

Hello Marieceleste
Many thanks for this information I will have to refer back to my
files but I think I have considered this marriage and I have a feeling that the occupation of the father is wrong and also Edmund jnr's date of birth. I will be back when I have checked
Thanks again

Fortunately, the record for that one is on Ancestry

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Edmund Stiles
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Age: 31
Spouse Name: Edith Annie Boutcher
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Dec 1893
Parish: St Thomas, Agar Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex
Father Name: Edmund Stiles
Register Type: Parish Register

Father also called Edmund but these two are both butchers.

Did you rule out this one?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1893
Alloway Marion Pancras 1b 24
Boutcher Edith Annie Pancras 1b 24
Green James Arthur Pancras 1b 24
Stiles Edmund Pancras 1b 24 <<<<<<<<<<<

Hello MarieCeles
I have searched the FreeBMD records but have been unable to find anything.

Janice, have you found any possibles on FreeBMD?

Please can anyone point me in the right direction,
any help would be much appreciated as I have
hit so many brick walls with my research.
Many thanks
Janice

Still looking for answers to my questions regarding Edmund
Stiles snr and Edmund Stiles jnr.
Has anyone had any ideas I can follow up.
Many thanks
Janice

Can anyone help me with the death of Edmund Stiles born
Kempsey Worcestershire 1841. Last record of him was on
1881 census.
Many thanks
Janice

Could some kind person take a look at the possibility of Edmund Stiles Jnr born 1865 London and died 1944 in Walsall
Staffordshire being married to someone else before he appears on the 1901 census with Elizabeth (Westley)
Many thanks
Janice

It would appear that after all your help for which I thank you all that Edmund Stiles and Elizabeth Westley were not married. I am still not able to trace a death for Edmund Stiles snr born 1841 in Kempsey Worcestershire who I think would have died between 1886 and 1911 Any help would be much appreciated.
Janice

hello Chris
Thanks for info he certainly was a mystery man. Have still not be able to trace his death.

Article found from British Newspapers 1710-1953 (Find My Past) also below

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1886-01-01/1886-12-31?basicsearch=edmund%20stiles&somesearch=edmund%20stiles&exactsearch=true

Mystery man!...

Chris :)

Hello Chris
Many thanks for the information you have posted me, I can now place Edmund as still alive in 1886 (were did you find the info regarding the theatre) and on his daughter's second marriage to James Pantling in Jan.1911 he is shown as deceased.
Janice

1891 (Stiles?)
HILES, Elizabeth Married F 51 1840 Laundress
Carmarthen, South Wales
Piece: 2253
Folio: 47
Page: 6
Registration District: Walsall
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 2 Court 7, Stafford Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

Chris :)


The Era
Publication date:Saturday 19 June 1886

PROVINCIAL THEATRICALS.
EASTBOURNE. THEATRE ROYAL.-Proprietors, Messrs Loveday and Phipps; General Manager, Mr Edmund Stiles. Mr Edward Terry commenced a six nights' engagement on Monday, when the theatre was crowded in every part.


Baptism (Find My Past)
Day:27
Month:Jul
Year:1873
Forenames:Lydia
Surname:Cousen
Fathers Forenames:John Isaac
Fathers occupation:Engineer
Mothers Forenames:Fanny
Birth Day:08
Birth Month:Jul
Birth Year:1869
Chapelry:
Place:Kirkburton
Description:All Hallows
County:Yorkshire
Country:England
Address:Huddersfield
Record source:Huddersfield Baptisms


Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
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HUNGERFORD John Holborn 1b 1119
STILES Emma Holborn 1b 1119


Name:Emma Stiles
Estimated birth year:abt 1869
Age:18
Spouse Name:John Hungerford (Bachelor) (Dispenser)
Spouse Age:28
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:6 Nov 1887
Parish:Finsbury St Luke
Borough:Islington
Father Name:Edmund Stiles (Agent)
Spouse Father:John Hungerford (Deceased. Labourer)
Register Type:Parish Register


1891
HUNGERFORD, John Head Married M 33 1858 Dispenser Of Medicine
Hanwell
HUNGERFORD, Gertrude Wife Married F 23 1868
Cheltenham
HUNGERFORD, John E Son Single M 3 1888
Hoxton, London
HUNGERFORD, Edmund Son M 1 1890
Kingsland, London
Piece: 251
Folio: 49
Page: 31
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Harman Street, Shoreditch
County: London

Many thanks to everyone who is helping me with this search it is greatly appreciated
Janice

Although William Westly is shown here in 1911 as a Lodger, the occupation would fit with the 1891 where there is a sister Elizabeth with him, so this could well be the Elizabeth Westly who "marries" Edmund Jnr

1911 census transcription details for: 202 Queen Street Walsall

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17182 RG78PN1057 RD370 SD3 ED25 SN340
Reg. District: Walsall
Sub District: Walsall
Parish: Walsall
Enum. District: 25
Address: 202 Queen Street Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
STILES, Edmund William Head Married M 45 1866 Iron Merchants Caretaker London City
STILES, Elizabeth Wife Married 21 years F 40 1871 At Home Staffs Walsall <<<<<
STILES, Margaret Daughter Single F 19 1892 General Servant Domestic Staffs Walsall
STILES, Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1894 General Servant Domestic Staffs Walsall
STILES, William Son Single M 14 1897 Learning Printing Staffs Walsall
STILES, Hilds May Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Staffs Walsall
STILES, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 70 1841 Nurse Monthly S Wales Carmarthan
WESTLY, William Ernest Lodger Married M 46 1865 Brown Saddler Staffs Walsall <<<<<

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1891 census transcription details for: 46, Ball Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2254
Folio: 26
Page: 46
Reg. District: Walsall
Sub District: Walsall
Parish: Walsall Foreign
Enum. District: 30
Ecclesiastical District: St Georges
City/Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: 46, Ball Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WESTLEY, William Head Single M 25 1866 Brown Saddler Walsall, Staffordshire <<<<<
WESTLEY, Jane Sister Single F 26 1865 Walsall, Staffordshire
WESTLEY, Agness Sister Single F 23 1868 Harness Stitcher Walsall, Staffordshire
WESTLEY, Elizabeth Sister Single F 20 1871 Walsall, Staffordshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hello Reggie
I only have my mothers notes to refer to regarding Elizabeth Westley
No official documents I am afraid.
Janice

1911 census

Person: KAYE, Ellen Address: 4 Lockwood Road Huddersfield

KAYE, Henry Head Married M 51 1860 Foreman For Cloth Rug Makers Yorks Huddersfield VIEW
KAYE, Ellen Wife Married26 years F 45 1866 Glass China And Hardware Yorks Huddersfield VIEW
KAYE, Allen Son Single M 21 1890 Draughtsman -Gear Cutters Yorks Huddersfield VIEW
KAYE, Norman Son M 8 1903 Yorks Huddersfield

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1901 census

Person: KAYE, Ellen Address: 28, Lockwood Road, Lockwood

KAYE, Henry Head Married M 40 1861 Foreman Cloth Hearthrug Works
Huddersfield, Yorkshire VIEW
KAYE, Ellen Wife Married F 35 1866
Huddersfield, Yorkshire VIEW
KAYE, Edith A Daughter Single F 15 1886 Confectioners Assistant
Huddersfield, Yorkshire VIEW
KAYE, Allen Son M 11 1890
Huddersfield, Yorkshire

None of this answers your question, though.................sorry!