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I am not sure if MARGARET & WILLIAM had any children we were hoping that we could locate them on the 1911 census, but it looks as if they were left off for some reason.
We also noticed the the FOSTER family were listed as GIBSON on the 1881 census and we are very puzzled about that !!
Regards,
Judy

Did they have these children
Edmund Gibson O/N/D 1911 nee foster
Margaret 1913

No sign of either of them in 1911.

Maryb.

It's interesting that the Foster family is recorded as Gibson in the 1881 census (posted on page 1 of this thread).

???

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
Gibson William John Greenwich 1d 987

Is this the William you think is the husband?


1901 England Census about William Gibson
Name: William Gibson
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: James Gibson
Mother: Mary A Gibson
Birth Place: Deptford, London, England
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 524
Folio: 105
Page Number: 59
Household schedule number: 408
Household Members:
Name Age
James Gibson 45 - fishmonger
Mary A Gibson 45
James W Gibson 21
William Gibson 19
Robert Gibson 13
Elizabeth Gibson 7
Albert Gibson 4

1901 census says she was born c1888 in Lower Edmonton, Middlesex, so this would be her birth, but it's a few years out from the marriage cert, so William's YOB may be equally suspect:

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
Foster Margaret Edmonton 3a 277

EDIT: 1891 census says she was born c1883 in Birmingham. The only feasible birth to match that would be this one:
Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
FOSTER Margaret Eliza Aston 6d 246

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William John Gibson Name: William John Gibson
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Margaret Foster
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jan 1908
Parish: North Peckham All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Gibson
Spouse Father: Robert Foster
Register Type: Parish Register

He was a fishmonger as was his father. Her father was a job master. Address for both was 242 S. George's Rd. Witnesses John Cain Carroll and Ada Carter.

I assume this is the marriage you mean, Judy.

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
Foster Margaret Camberwell 1d 953
GIBSON William John Camberwell 1d 953


Do you have the cert, to be sure she's the right Margaret?
Though it looks likely, as the Fosters were in Camberwell in 1901.

EMILY & ROBERT had a daughter named MARGARET FOSTER b, 1888, MARGARET married WILLIAM JOHN GIBSON in 1908 at Southwark, I have search the 1911 census for this couple and I cannot seem to find them, MARGARET was also known as MILLIE and I was wondering if their names had been misspelt, can anyone kindly help me find them? I believe WILLIAM was born in Deptford London around 1882.
Thank you.
Judy

Thank you all for your kind help and advice in our search for EMILY JANE SPENCER (Spence)
It has been most helpful.
Regards,
Judy

Allerton Hall/Castle was demolished in 1843 when they started to rebuild but stopped in 1856 due to lack of funds.
So would Emily's mum have been there at the right time??

Maryb.

Hi Misty,
The TOM FOSTER b. 1892 that you found is not on the 1901 or 1911 census but there is a death of a THOMAS FOSTER at Camberwell in 1895 aged three, so I am assuming it is the same person.

Have put your message on here Judy as there are a lot of people with far more experience/knowledge than I have, who could possibly help you more..

Hi Misty,
The witnesses at EMILY,S marriage were JOHN MASON & JANE BENSON or BENSAN, the information regarding EMILY,S father is JAMES SPENCE, occupation Watchmaker, and there is no mention about being deceased.
A old Aunt of mine has said that according to old family gossip EMILY,S mother (name unknown) was in service at ALLERTON HALL (now Allerton Castle) and she had some kind of a liason with the owners son any EMILY was the result, so maybe EMILY was Illegitimate after all.
Best wishes,
Judy

Misty x

Don't think that it is the Emily Jane Crabtree found earlier as she is still with her Mum in 1881

Name: Emma Crabtree
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Dinah Crabtree
Gender: Female
Where born: Clayton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Clayton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 17 Campbell St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Worsted Weaver

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Thornton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4470
Folio: 101
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Dinah Crabtree 42
Emma Crabtree 21

The marriage certificate states married 6-10-1875 at the parish of St Laurence in the City of York ROBERT FOSTER(21) = EMILY JANE SPENCE(18) both of 8, Heslington Road, the fathers were JAMES FOSTER (Fish Hawker ) & JAMES SPENCE (Watchmaker)
Thanks for your kind help,
Judy

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:Emily Jane Foster (widow) 142 Kimberley Ave, Nunhead

Probate Date:15 Nov 1939

Death Date:28 Oct 1939

Death Place:London, England

Registry:London, England


Probate to: Caroline Green (wife of Alfred John Green) & Rose Ann Marsh (wife of William Marsh) £1966 17s 3d resworn £1316 17s 3d

Syd, are you sure the Foster/Spence marriage is the right one?
Are you only going by her middle name of Spencer in 1911?

This looks like Robert in 1871 in Knaresborough - no help with Emily, I know!


1871 England Census about Robert Foster
Name: Robert Foster
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Foster
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Scriven with Tentergate
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Knaresborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub-registration district: Knaresborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 4286
Folio: 27
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
James Foster 52 - widower, fish monger
Robert Foster 18 - hawker, general dealer
John Foster 14 - fish hawker

The child Emily Jane Green with Emily & Robert in 1911 will be Caroline's daughter:

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Foster Caroline Camberwell 1d 1643
Green Alfred Camberwell 1d 1643

1881 ???????
Name is clearly Gibson on image, but all other detail fits:


1881 England Census about Caroline Gibson
Name: Caroline Gibson
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Robert Gibson
Mother: Emma Jane Gibson
Gender: Female
Where born: Redford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry St Michael
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: No 57 Grey Friars Lane
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3067
Folio: 53
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gibson 28 - hawker, born York
Emma Jane Gibson 22 - born York
Robert Gibson 4 - born York
Caroline Gibson 2 - born Redford, Notts.