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Looks like you will have to buy his birth cert as not seeing a possible marriage

Dawn, if Hubert and Ernest's mother had been previously married then you won't find a Law/Butler marriage as it would be recorded under her surname from her first marriage.

The children's births would, however, show her maiden name.

The only way to be sure is to buy one of the birth certificates.

Just saw your post Shirley regards James Hubert, thanks for that I still think there is some kind of connection with him given the name connecting with the Hubert J Law mother butler!! is it possible to find this James Hubert Theobald Charles butler on the 1901 census?

I am looking for the parents of Ernest Law born 1913 elham dist on the freebmd his mother is put with surname Butler. another child was born 1912 Hubert J Law . I haven't found a marriage for a Law/Butler and also no other children after 1913. Ernest was my son's grandfather and I knew him and that he was born Lyminge and lived in this area all his life died woodchurch kent 2000

what sort of birth year?

this one is a schoolboy

1911 census transcription details for: The Grange Shorncliffe Road Folkestone

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN4634 RG78PN195 RD66 SD1 ED11 SN39
Reg. District: Elham
Sub District: Folkestone
Parish: Folkestone
Enum. District: 11
Address: The Grange Shorncliffe Road Folkestone
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JELF, Charles Richard Head Married M 37 1874 Headmaster Of Boys Preparatory School Surrey Putney
JELF, Frances Mary Alice Wife Married
11 years F 32 1879 London
JELF, Cecilia Jane Alice Daughter F 8 1903 Kent Folkestone
JELF, Margaret Fraser Mary Daughter F 5 1906 Kent Folkestone
LOHMANN, Helena Wilhelmina Servant Single F 24 1887 Nursery Governess Germany Resident
BRYANT, Edith Jane Servant Single F 41 1870 Matron Sussex S Leonards on Sea
BREWER, Jane Servant Single F 39 1872 Cook Domestic Herefordshire Hereford
GAMBRILL, Jane Esther Servant Single F 26 1885 Parlourmaid Domestic Kent Sturry
MASSEY, Caroline Servant Single F 25 1886 Housemaid Domestic Kent Willesboroug
HAYWARD, Mary Ane Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Domestic Kent Shorncliffe
GORRINGE, Maud Elizabeth Servant Single F 24 1887 Housemaid Domestic Essex Chelmsford
HOLLYER, Mary Jane Servant Single F 29 1882 Parlourmaid Domestic Kent Hurst
TAYLOR, May Servant Single F 22 1889 Kitchenmaid Domestic Surrey Streatham
KENNETH, Clara Florence Servant Single F 17 1894 Between - Maid Domestic Kent Folkestone
CHANDON, Douglas Granville M 13 1898 School Surrey Warlingham
ELPHINSTONE, Howard Graham M 12 1899 School Hants Bournsmouth
KEEBLE, Leslie Arthur M 13 1898 School Berks Windsor
DONKIN, Harold Arthur Bryan M 13 1898 School Shropshire Sutton Maddock
SELSS, Cuthbert William Prideaux M 13 1898 School Kent Teynham
SPARKS, Robert Lionel M 12 1899 School Sussex Eastbourne
PRICE, Herbert Allen M 13 1898 School Kent Beckenham
FINN, Geoffrey Gostwycke M 12 1899 School Kent Faversham
THOMPSON, John Eric Sydney M 12 1899 School Middlesex Inverness Hill
FORSTER, Stewart Arthur M 11 1900 School London
DI BALME, Anton Luciee M 12 1899 School London
THUNY, Francis Dehany Victor M 13 1898 School London
LEWIS, Percy Herbert M 13 1898 School Kent Folkestone
PLUMMER, Frank Henry M 12 1899 School London
FORSTER, Ralph Louis Francis M 12 1899 School Japan Resident
BUSH, Clifford Westly M 13 1898 School Cape Colony Resident
CAPPER, Harry Kent M 12 1899 School Lancashire Lancaster
ELIN, Geoffrey Dyne M 13 1898 School Surrey Windlesham
BRADLEY, Ian Robert Ambrose Bircham M 11 1900 School Co Meath Kilmainham Resident
NICHOLSON, Geoffrey Douglas Lothian M 13 1898 School India Punjab Resident
BUSS, Ronald Austen M 12 1899 School Kent Littlebourne
BUSS, Stuart Austen M 11 1900 School Kent Littlebourne

BUTLER, James Hubert Theobald Charles M 11 1900 School London >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

PAINTER, Alan Butler Francoise M 10 1901 School Surrey Teddington
CRUSE, Donald M 11 1900 School U S of America Resident
BROUGHTON, Brian Evelyn Delvis M 12 1899 School London
SECKER, Derek Howard M 8 1903 Bucks Slough
BRISCOE, Walter William M 10 1901 School Sussex Worthing
NICHOLSON, Lothian Charles Lothian M 12 1899 School London
BERNAL, Ralph Frederic M 11 1900 School Germany Resident
LEPPER, Andrew M 11 1900 School Bucks Aylesbury
KEMPS, Alfred Humphrey Meadows M 10 1901 School London
MACDOWELL, Charles Michael Vere M 13 1898 School Devonshire Totnes
GODDEN, William Fenwich M 9 1902 Surrey Wimbledon
YOUNG, William Edward Gordon M 10 1901 School London
SECKER, Gerald Onslow M 10 1901 School Ceylon Resident
HOLDGATE, Francis Wyatt M 10 1901 School Northants Brackley
BREDIN, Hugh Waldine M 10 1901 School Northants Northampton
FORSTER, Douglas M 9 1902 Kent Beckenham
FORWOOD, John Frederic M 11 1900 School Sussex Hurstpierpoint

Hi again, I have just found marriages for Mary ann butler to either John Barber or joseph tiltman so that should eliminate her! also found a marriage for Edith Mary butler to either Ernest Hurst or Frederick Godsell. Also found a marriage of an Ethel Grace Butler in 1907, but it doesn't give any other names as to who could be the spouse! would still like to know who the James Hubert butler was living with as this would seem to be some connection with that name
thanks once again

Exactly who are you tying to follow?

1891 England Census about Henry Gust Castle
Name: Henry Gust Castle
[Henry Bart Castle]
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Merted Castle
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1033
Folio: 59
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Gust Castle 45
Elizabeth Merted Castle 39
Elizabeth Castle 14
William Castle 12
Edith Castle 11
Noel Castle 9
Percy John Castle 14

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1033; Folio: 59; Page: 4; GSU Roll: 6096143.

1881 England Census about Ellen Castle
Name: Ellen Castle
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Henry B. Castle
Mother: Elizabeth M. Castle
Gender: Female
Where born: Shooters Hill, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 1 Avenue Cotte
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Plumstead, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 754
Folio: 122
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry B. Castle 34 occ coachman
Elizabeth M. Castle 28
Sarah E. Castle 11
Henry J. Castle 7
Ellen Castle 6
Elizabeth Castle 4
William Castle 2
Edith Castle 1

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 754; Folio: 122; Page: 40; GSU roll: 1341177.

Hi, thank you everyone for your fast replies! so this really eliminates this Law! I also noticed there was a Hubert J Law born march qtr 1912. to a mother butler. Now a butler family living in Folkestone in 1901 had 4 daughters Mary, Edith, ethel and Lydia. I found a marriage for a Lydia, so eliminated her. as for the other 3 I found an Edith age 31 in elham dist in 1911 not the other two. and also found a James Hubert Theobald Charles butler age 11 in elham dist! be interesting to know who they were living with especially with the Hubert name!
Thanks once again

1911 England Census about William Albert Tucker
Name: William Albert Tucker
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cheriton, Kent
Civil Parish: Cheriton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 26 York Cottages, Shaftesbury Avenue, Cheriton, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Brick Maker
Registration district: Elham
Registration District Number: 66
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 342
Piece: 4646
Household Members:
Name Age
William Albert Tucker 43
Sarah Elizabeth Tucker 41
Albert Henry Tucker 19
Elizabeth Mary Tucker 17
Edith Clara Tucker 15
Alice Marie Tucker 13
Sarah Ellen Tucker 11
Dorothy Ada Tucker 8
William Percy Tucker 6
Ethel May Tucker 11/12

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 4646; Schedule Number: 342.


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Marriages Sep 1890
Rolfe Sarah Elizabeth C Elham 2a 1631
Tucker William Albert Elham 2a 1631

1901 England Census
about Arthur G Law
Age 27
Estimated birth year:
abt 1874
Relation to Head:
Son
Gender:
Male

Mother:
Mary A Law

Birth Place:
Lyminge, Elham, Kent, England

Civil Parish:
Cheriton

Ecclesiastical parish:
All Souls

County/Island:
Kent

Country:
England


Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
Registration district:
Elham
Sub-registration district:
Folkestone
Household Members:

Mary A Law 70
Emma C Law 30
Arthur G Law 27 >>>>>Painter and Paperhanger
Edith A L Law 24
Beatrice W M Nuttell 18
Frederick G W Pile 19

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
LAW William A Castle Elham 2a 2224

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Law Horace N Castle Elham 2a 2355

1901 census transcription details for: 2, Somerset Road, Cheriton

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 851
Folio: 46
Page: 39
Reg. District: Elham
Sub District: Folkestone
Parish: Cheriton
Enum. District: 23
Ecclesiastical District: All Souls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Somerset Road, Cheriton
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TUCKER, William A Head Married M 34 1867 Brickmaker
Cheriton, Kent
TUCKER, Sarah Wife Married F 30 1871
Cheriton, Kent
TUCKER, Albert Son M 9 1892
Cheriton, Kent
TUCKER, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1894
Cheriton, Kent
TUCKER, Edith Daughter F 5 1896
Cheriton, Kent
TUSKER, Alice Daughter F 3 1898
Cheriton, Kent
TUCKER, Sarah Daughter F 1 1900
Cheriton, Kent
CASTLE, Elizabeth Sister-In-Law Single F 25 1876 Laundress
London
CASTLE, Edith Sister-In-Law Single F 21 1880 Laundress
London
CASTLE, Edward Brother-In-Law M 19 1882 Brickyard Labourer
London
CASTLE, Percy Brother-In-Law M 14 1887 Brickyard Labourer
London

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
CASTLE Elizabeth Elham 2a 2336
Law Arthur George Elham 2a 2336

would appear to be Elizabeth Castle

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: LAW, Arthur George
Registration district: Elham
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1901
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 2336
MarriageFinder: Arthur George Law married one of the following people:

BARNES, Rosetha Amy
BARNES, Rosetta Amy
CASTLE, Elizabeth>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BEARD, Charles Thomas

This one?
1911 census transcription details for: 167 High ST

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN4647 RG78PN195 RD66 SD1 ED23 SN484
Reg. District: Elham
Sub District: Folkestone
Parish: Cheriton (Exclusive of That Part Which Is Included in the Area of Shorncliffe Camp)
Enum. District: 23
Address: 167 High ST
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LAW, Arthur Head Married
9 years M 38 1873 Painter House Lyminge Kent
LAW, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1876 Shooters Hill
LAW, George Son M 9 1902 Cheriton Kent
LAW, Fredrick Son M 7 1904 Cheriton Kent
LAW, Ethel Daughter F 5 1906 Cheriton Kent
LAW, Percy Son M 4 1907 Cheriton Kent
LAW, Cecil Son M 3 1908 Cheriton Kent
LAW, Sydney Son M 1 1910 Cheriton Kent

married 9 years 6 children born all livng

Household transcription 1911 census

Person: LAW, Arthur

Address: 167 High ST

LAW, Arthur Head Married9 years M 38 1873 Painter House Lyminge Kent VIEW
LAW, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1876 Shooters Hill VIEW
LAW, George Son M 9 1902 Cheriton Kent VIEW
LAW, Fredrick Son M 7 1904 Cheriton Kent VIEW
LAW, Ethel Daughter F 5 1906 Cheriton Kent VIEW
LAW, Percy Son M 4 1907 Cheriton Kent VIEW
LAW, Cecil Son M 3 1908 Cheriton Kent VIEW
LAW, Sydney Son M 1 1910 Cheriton Kent VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 4647

Reference: RG14PN4647 RG78PN195 RD66 SD1 ED23 SN484

Registration District: Elham

Sub District: Folkestone

Enumeration District: 23

Parish: Cheriton (Exclusive of That Part Which Is Included in the Area of Shorncliffe Camp)

Address: 167 High ST

County: Kent

Married 9 years..........6 children born and living.

Hi, could someone lookup an Arthur Law I have checked and have found him born Lyminge age 38 living elham dist Kent. I would like to know who he is living with. it says he married in 1902. I have an Ernest Law born 1913 to a mother 'Butler' but cannot find a marriage of a Law/Butler . I have a butler family in the 1901 in Folkestone and a Law family in cheriton with an Arthur.
Many thanks.