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Link to Chittenden name but I don't know how its connected:

Esther Hills
Age:17
Estimated birth year:1844
Relation:Granddaughter
Gender:Female
Where born:Minster, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Thanet St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish:Broadstairs
County/Island:Kent
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Registration district:Thanet
Sub-registration district:Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel:27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number:125
Piece:538
Folio:156
Page Number:23
Household Members:
Name
Age
William Newing 75
Elizabeth Chittenden 36 (daughter)
Edward J Chittenden 9 (rest are grand children)
George T Chittenden 9
Arthur B Chittenden 7
Esther Hills 17

so it would seem that is how James got to know Robert and Elizabeth Fuller! as Robert Fuller and Richard Wraight were cousins!....well that would of been a scandal so maybe that is why the lady in Australia her father won't talk about it!!! I have messaged my ex husband's son and his brother, the brother who is the eldest may of known his grandmother as he would of been 14yrs when she died hopefully they will get back to me, there may be a marriage cert of Ernest in someones keeping? so much is falling into place. with James being born in Wye, that's must of been what my father-in-law was talking about1

It does look promising, especially as you've now found potential marriage/deaths for them. have you looked for a death for Robert Fuller?

Thank you again, I haven't found a death for Robert, but then only able to look on the freebmd. My grandfather's wife went off with a man and left their 2 sons with his mother (granddad went off to Australia for a year) and she didn't marry this new man for another 30yrs in the 1950's.after several children!.... My grandparents never married which came out when he died in 1961, my aunt told they couldn't marry as he was still married!.....so either it was a bigamous marriage, but then why wait 30yrs! or there was a divorce and my grandfather never told anyone, including my grandmother!!
I found 2 deaths that fitted agewise, but none in Kent one in 1921 in Holborn age 55 and the other in 1941 in Camberwell age 74 both were Robert W. not impossible I see his mother died in 1913 age 81 in thanet so maybe he moved? to children? if the 1921 is him maybe James and Elizabeth only married as James was ill? since he died within the year?

spent the afternoon browsing through the public member trees on ancestry! by adding names etc I can see parents even though I can't access the trees!......found the connection of the 1861 census with the Chittendens.....The Elizabeth is the aunt of Esther, through her dad it appears there may not of been a marriage of Esther's parents as she is down in a few trees as Esther Martin Sandwell/Hills/butler/Baker!!
Her parents are Thomas Sandwell and Mary Ann Hills.
Thomas Sandwell and Elizabeth Browning Sandwell are the children of Thomas Sandwell and Jane Gammon.
I found Elizabeth's name when I put in her son Edward's name it would appear she married an Edwin Chittenden! It would appear Esther loved her aunt! maybe for some reason she lived with her for quite a while, I'll check to see if I can find a death for her mother.
Couldn't tie in William Newing at all!

I've been looking at the granddaughter Louisa Fuller from the 1901 census - born Louisa Kate Fuller in 1892. She was a nursemaid in Lambeth in 1911, then married Herbert William Epps in 1912 (Thanet).

They, along with other Epps, and various children as they reached 21 are on the ERs at 2 Evandale Road, Brixton from around 1918. After reading your post, there was also a Margaret & Thomas Gammon living with them! Robert Fuller turned up with the family 1937/8/9, but then the ERs stop until 1945 - by which time he's no longer with them.

There's a death for Robert W Fuller in Camberwell in 1941 which could be him. Louisa died in Lambeth 1979.

Dawn, you can view public member trees on the ancestry spin off site, it's free you just have to register, but at least you'll be able to see all the tree details.

http://www.mundia.com/gb/

wow thanks! yes it would seem to be him, my ggrandfather lived with his daughter just before his death, his 2nd wife my ggrandmother said she was a widow in 1911 living as a housekeeper! but he died in 1912 .......there was a 40yr difference! she was 22 when my grandfather was born and he a widower of 62!....other children were born before they married she also had a son of her own and I suspect her last child wasn't his either, maybe where she was housekeeper?? I am going to try the website now

Hi Flip,
I thought I would let you know that I have had a message from my ex's son and he said his Dad said Ernest mentioned the Chittenden Butler name so confirmation I have the right person! thanks once again for all your help : :-)

No problem, glad to be of some help - it took us a while to get the right family though :-D

Yes but perservence!....Actually I have been checking out Walter Offen butler, Elizabeth's father. I found the family on the 1871 on familysearch, which gave me the family etc! actually I have done some transcribing for them and did some 1871!

I checked his name on the previous and found 1851 Walter age 9 Boughton Kent and in 1861 age 18 born lenham a servant in St Peter would you be able to give me who he was with.....also I found a mother Maria, from a site, born 1816 died 1843 and I found a Maria Butler on the 1841 age 25 Lenham parish... I know this one doesn't give a lot of information,
Apparently the Offen is the surname of the father.
again thanks so much for all of this.

Walter Butler
Age:18
Estimated birth year:1843
Relation:Servant (Barman)
Gender:Male
Where born:Lenham, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Thanet St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish:Broadstairs
County/Island:Kent
Country:England
Street address: (Rose Inn)
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:Thanet
Sub-registration district:Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel:27
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:16
Piece:538
Folio:146
Page Number:4
Household Members:
Name
Age
Henry Hills 45 (Inn keeper, born Broadstairs)
Mary Pearless 40
Jane Chapman 15
Walter Butler 18

Walter Butler
Age:9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation:Visitor
Gender:Male
Where born:Bishopton, Kent, England
[Boughton, Kent, England]
Civil Parish:Thanet St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish:Broadstairs
Town:Broadstairs
County/Island:Kent
Country:England
Street address:Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:Disability:
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Registration district:Thanet
Sub-registration district:Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel:1g
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:8
Piece:1630
Folio:98
Page Number:2
Household Members:
NameAge
Henry Hills 36 (widower)
Emily Butler 22 (sister in law, single)
Ann Pulley 25
Walter Butler 9
John Moat 35

Same address as 1861

1841, This one?
Grafty Green all born in county, Butler on image:

James Butter 50 (ag labourer)
Elizabeth Butter 50
Kezia Butter 27
Maria Butter 25
James Butter 23
Elizabeth Butter 15
Frederic Butter 20
Emma Butter 12 (could this be Emily on 1851?)
Lewis Butter 10
Hannah Butter 8

Thank you once again!, Yes Maria's parents were James and Elizabeth so I now have her family. She died in 1843 so it looks like Walter was with her sister Emily. Plus the owner of the Inn Henry Hills which is the same surname as Walter's wife Esther!
Esther was registered as Hills, as her parents, Thomas Sandown and Mary Ann Hills weren't married at the time of her birth.
I did look on that site you gave me (at the moment my granddaughter has used up my broadband!) and was able to get some info plus a birth cert of walter1 wanted to look some more but will have to wait until the new month comes round next week for the broadband!....can't even get into the site!

Emily Butler was down as Henry Hill's sister in law in 1851. There's a marriage in 1846 for Henry to Kezia Butler, but he is a widow by 1851. There's a death for Kesiah Hills in 1849, which is likely to be her. both registered Thanet.

Henry Hills was on the same 1841 census image as the Butlers - in next household, but no addresses given. Most on the page were ag Labs, but he appears to be a M S (Man servant?)

Looks like Mary Ann Hills was Henry's sister, and still not married at the time of Henry's death in 1878. His probate record:

Administration of the personal estate of Henry Hills, late of 8 Stone Street, Gravesend, general dealer & widower died 11 Feb 1878 at 8 Stone Street was granted at the Principal Registry to Mary Ann Hills of 16 Colebrook Street Erith in the said county, spinster the sister and one of the next of kin.

Personal estate under £50.

So not sure about this now, as there appears to have been a marriage for Esther's parents so maybe there are 2 Mary Ann Hills around.

ADDED - I went back to the 1891 census for Esther Baker, the address was 2 Church Cottages, also living at same address was Mary Ann Sandwell - although not transcribed with the family.

If Walter Offen Butler's father was an Offen, there are 2 very likely candidates in the right area in 1841 - Thomas Offen (24) and Alfred (20) - they are with their parents John & Harriett Offen in 1841 in Boughton Malheb, John is a farmer.

On the same census page, is an address of Grafty Green - the same address given for the Butlers - although they are not on the same set of census records, but must have lived close by.

Thomas and Alfred were married by 1851, but neither married prior to Walter's birth - so his father could be either of them (or neither!)