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1861
PHILLIPS, John Head Married M 46 1815 Tailor Employing 2 Boys
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, Ellen N Wife Married F 45 1816 Tailors Wife
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, Fred Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Draper
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, George Son Unmarried M ? Draper
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, Ellen N Daughter F 14 1847 Scholar
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, Mary M Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PHILLIPS, Sarah S Daughter F 4 1857
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
SLADE, Sarah Boarder Widow F 74 1787
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
Piece: 1295
Folio: 50
Page: 48
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: Silverthornes Yard, Round Stone Street, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

1841
SLADE, James M 60 1781 Wiltshire (Stoker?)
SLADE, Sarah F 50 1791 Wiltshire
SLADE, Samuell M 15 1826 Wiltshire
SLADE, Penelope F 10 1831 Wiltshire
WHITE, John M 25 1816 Wiltshire
WHITE, Selina F 20 1821 Wiltshire
HISCOCKS, Sarah F 70 1771 Wiltshire
Piece: 1182
Book/Folio: 10/32
Page: 16
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: Charlotte Street, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
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SLADE Selina Melksham 8 581
WHITE John Melksham 8 581

(anything to do with above?)

Chris :)

Death
SLADE James 72 1851 Trowbridge History Centre Wiltshire TROW/8/383

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Well my two new certificates have arrived today ....posting the details here without doing any further work although I think I had already starting heading in the right direction :-)

First Joonie and Chris....

Well 5a 110 came up trumps! Mary Clara Marchant, daughter of James and Matilda Marchant formerly Martin. Born 10 May 1853 Duke Street Trowbridge. So by the time of her Christening a month later Clara has become Ann!

And now to the second marriage of James Ames Marchant on 5th November 1859 to Selina Perkins Widow. Fathers' names John Marchant (this is the first official confirmation of this) and James Slade. Witnesses John Phillips and Nathaniel Roach (?) John Phillips, a tailor, was the surviving executor of James' will. The marriage was by licence rather than Banns.

Jude

Edward

birth:11 Oct 1813 residence:1813 —Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England parents:John Marchant, Ann record title:England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name:Edward Aims Marchant gender:Male baptism/christening date:23 Feb 1840 baptism/christening place:

James' brother

Mary is - I think - daughter of Henry their brother

http://www.deceasedonline.com/

Chris :)

Chris - what's the link to these?

Jude

Grave details and 1 other burial (Selina) (probably James)

Grave details and 2 other burials (Matilda)

(wonder who others were, but credits needed to view deceased o)

Chris :)

MARCHANT, Edward A Head Widower M 76 1815
Hilperton, Wiltshire
MARCHANT, Mary Niece Single F 48 1843
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
POOLE, John Boarder Single M 50 1841 Wool Sorter
Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire
Piece: 1603
Folio: 115
Page: 32
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: 32, Church Street, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

(Edward Probate 1895 to above Mary)

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20680/pages/5782/page.pdf

(his name with James on above)

Yeah I looked at this not just ten minutes ago!! It DEFINITELY says Marshman!!!

Last address I have for them is in 1881 which appears to be Eastbourne Road Trowbridge. Infuriatingly neither probate gives an address.

I have just sent for her will (well filled out the form which I will mail with a cheque tomorrow). Executors were Frederick William Lond Book-keeper who I can see in all censuses and Bejamin Porter Cloth worker - ditto. James was a cloth worker before he was made bankrupt in 1843. He obviously turned things around because he left several properties for the use of his daughters (and not their spouses) - nearly £1200 in 1883 over £100,000 today

1901
MARSHMAN, S Head Widow F 79 1822 Living On Own Means
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
PICKARD, Lucy M Niece Single F 18 1883
Road, Somersetshire
PICKARD, Amelia A Visitor Single F 16 1885
Road, Somersetshire
Piece: 1932
Folio: 48
Page: 8
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: 45, Ashton Street, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

(not sure, but adding!)

Chris :)

Unless they changed their minds and christened her Mary Ann instead of Mary Clara!!!!

BUT....there's not a better option! And I can't find Mary Clara in any census

I am determined to crack these Marchants!!!

I can't find Selina in 1891 or 1901 either :-(

I am not convinced Perkins is her birth name....I might have to speculate!!

Jude

Births Jun 1853 (>99%)
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MARCHANT Mary Clara Melksham 5a 110

(don't suppose above, by any chance!)

Chris :)

Joonie...answering you in order!!

'50' is a nice round age, especially if the informant was not a family member and didn't know the exact age, which could have been several years older

Quite agree and I do think that Maria was the same age as James and therefore born around 1807/8 rather than 1809.

James and Maria lived in Plucca Lane - he was a grocer. There are a family called Burnett in Plucca Lane but they are William and Mary. The Ann Burnett you mention was widowed sometime between 1851 and 1861 and is in Bristol with daughter Julia in 1861.

I'm seeing a possible long-term estrangement between Maria and James, and cohabitation between Selina and James, with Maria's death leaving him free to remarry in that indecent haste. Did they marry in Bath because they were supposedly already married, to avoid prying eyes?

This is my dilemma. I am thinking that they moved to Cardiff to be with their three daughters - although daughter Dorcas was still in Trowbridge. Maria was probably already dying. Given Selina was born in Wiltshire they must have met - and maybe started a relationship before he moved to Cardiff. But I think he made his life in Cardiff for nearly 20 years - he was certainly there in 1876 when he made his will and he left several properties in Cardiff to his family

Who is this with Maria's daughter Sarah in 1861?

She was the daughter of Sarah's brother James whose wife Matilda died in 1859. I have her in 1871 (as Mary Pratt) and then lose her.

I haven't found a birth record but this is her christening

Name: Mary Ann Marchant
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 May 1853
Christening Date: 19 Jun 1853
Christening Place: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Marchant
Mother's Name: Matilda

Chris thanks - will have a look later

Jude

http://www.deceasedonline.com/

(noticed above has some Marchant, Trowbridge)

Chris :)

the info on the death cert ...

'50' is a nice round age, especially if the informant was not a family member and didn't know the exact age, which could have been several years older

'widow' is a common description that women who were estranged from their husbands used e.g. in censuses, for respectability (especially if they had children with them)

The 'Plucca Lane' address for the informant Ann Burnett might have been an assumption by the person who completed the form, or confusion as to what the question was, etc.

I'm seeing a possible long-term estrangement between Maria and James, and cohabitation between Selina and James, with Maria's death leaving him free to remarry in that indecent haste. Did they marry in Bath because they were supposedly already married, to avoid prying eyes?


Who is this with Maria's daughter Sarah in 1861?

Name: Mary Marchant
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Adopted Girl (Adopted)
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan

William Pratt 30 born Westbury
Sarah Pratt 34
William Pratt 5
Alfred Pratt 3
Selina Pratt 1
> Mary Marchant 9

I don't see a birth to fit.

Chris thanks - yes I have the three deaths - I have James' will (and Selina's probate)

Interesting to see Selina's dob though which I didn't have. Am finding it difficult to find her before she married James (as Perkins)

I may send for their marriage certificate (in Bath in Q4 1859) ....she didn't seem to have engendered any ill feeling (for marrying James so quickly after Maria's death) as James and Maria's eldest daughter Sarah named her daughter born Q3 1859 "Selina" which must have been after her as it does not feature in the family names prior to that.


I am struggling with the events...Sarah married in Melksham in Q4 1854 and had her first child in Cardiff in Q4 1855. I don't know what drew her to Cardiff. Her sisters Maria and Rebecca were also in Cardiff by 1861 and, as Maria married later that year, I suspect they were there sooner as well.

I had always assumed James and Maria joined them - possibly because Maria was ill (her death certificate states Rheumation for many years not certified as the cause of death) but for him to marry Selina in Bath so soon after Maria's death I can only assume they knew each other before he moved to Cardiff!

Jude

Burial
Forenames:MARIA
Surname:MERCHANT
Abode:PLUCCA LANE
Day Month:28MAR
Year:1859
Age:50
Parish:Roath St Margaret
Record source:Glamorgan Burial Index

Chris :)

Burial
Day:7
Month:Apr
Year:1883
Age:75
Forenames:James Ames
Surname:MARCHANT
Place:Trowbridge; cemetery
County:Wiltshire
Country:England
Reference:137943
Notes:husb of Selina
Record source:Wiltshire Memorial Inscription Index


Day:26
Month:Nov
Year:1904
Age:83
Forenames:Selina
Surname:MARCHANT
Place:Trowbridge; cemetery
County:Wiltshire
Country:England
Reference:137943
Notes:b 2 May 1821 wife of James Ames
Record source:Wiltshire Memorial Inscription Index

(can see above, if any use!)

Chris :)

Mary...yes JAmes married SElina in quarter 4 1859! Always seemed indecently hasty and perhaps now more so!

Joonie I will look into it!

Jude

in 1851 there was an Ann Burnett living in Cardiff St John, married to George, a school principal

She was born in Winsley, not 5 miles from Trowbridge, c1806.

I might suspect her for the job. I wonder whether there was a family connection?

(Better luck to you than me ... in the 1890s, I have someone who signed a death cert as "grandmother" of a child who had two known grandmothers neither of which was she, nor does she appear to be connected with the woman the child's father claimed to be married to in the previous census, and while there was a woman by the name in question living two doors down in the same street in the next census, she was barely old enough to be the child's mother ... which she wasn't, nor was she related in any way ...)

Oh, and don't be thrown off by Ancestry's nonsense ... Ann Burnett's husband, 52-yr-old George, was not actually the son of 21-yr-old Edward Townsend, a *teacher* in the household, not his father ...

Wasn't James still alive in 1861 now married to Selina.
They are together at the grocers shop in Pucca Lane in 1861!!

Maryb.

Just to update...

Maria (junior) birth certificate confirms mother as formerly Trollope...I think it says Maria but it could equally say Meriam

Maria (senior) death certificate is interesting....died 23 March 1859 - widow of James Ames Marchant (grocer) of Plucca Lane Roath. BUT informant was Ann Burnett of Plucca Lane - who she be I know not :-) - Maria's age is 50 years giving a birth date of 1909 making her 16 when she married - pinch of salt needed!!!!!

hey Jude ...

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory

Trowbridge has an OPC

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/72-trowbridge-information-page

who might be able to help, you never know

Horningsham has as well

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/215-horningsham

The Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre has the orig parish records and I have found them very helpful in the past, will photocopy and mail records for small fee

also there are several Trollop wills in Horningsham here and sometimes married daughters are named in wills

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/wills_search.php

including
William 1828
Cecelia widow 1853
Charles 1857
James 1878 (also as Trollope)
Joseph 1857 (oops, bachelor)

only 2 of the 10 deceased did not reside in Horningsham