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Well done Jude. How nice to see where some of your ancestors lived and hope you get to go again and visit the cemetery.
Sylvia

I am no nearer resolving the birth of Maria Trollop but thought I would post this.

On Saturday - on a whim - we went to Wincanton races and stayed the night in Wincanton. Being only 20 miles from Trowbridge, we went there on Sunday. Followed my nose and found St James where most of my ancestors were married or christened. Saw where they lived in 1841 and 1851.

Would have liked to have visited the cemetery but it was cold and wet and I wanted to get home!

But got some lovely photos and put some geography into perspective :-)

Jude

Yes I have been through all the 1851 censuses for the siblings to no avail whatsoever!

Currently working on Elizabeth Slade who died as Frost but this was her second marriage.....

I keep wondering if Selina was in Australia until after 1851....oh for a time machine :-)

1851
KINGTON, Walter Head Married M 31 1820 Innkeeper
Corsham, Wiltshire, England
KINGTON, Harriet Wife Married F 32 1819
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
KINGTON, Martha Daughter F 1 1850
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
VINCE, George Servant M 12 1839 Servant
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
FROST, Harpar ? Servant Unmarried F 17 1834 General Servant
Wincanton, Somerset, England
Piece: 1840
Folio: 527
Page: 31
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: Newtown, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846
KINGTON Elizabeth Trowbridge History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) SLADE

Death
KINGTON Elizabeth 0 Trowbridge History Centre

(still no luck Selina!)

Chris :)

edits (Walter and Har. Burials on DO, also some Wills)

Yes Chris the link you gave earlier haf this in.....at the last count I had nearly 250
Hints lol! It's very annoyinb that it is too early to track them coming back in. Maybe John white died and she married a perkins out in australia. Excuse the typos ...on my pad!

Marriage
1844 STONE JOHN SLADE MELISSA D

Marriage
1877 SUTTON JOHN STONE MELISSA DORCAS

Death
Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s)
1905 SUTTON MELISSA D JAMES SARAH

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

(not sure if you have above)

SUTTON — STONE. —April 20, at Petersham, by the Rev. M. A. Williams, Mr. John Sutton, to Melissa Dorcas, relict of John Burgoine Stone, late of Sydney.

Chris :)

Burial (FMP!)
Forenames:Melissa Dorcas
Surname:SUTTON
Death Day:1
Death Month:Feb
Death Year:1905
Age:
Inscription:in her 78th year
Denomination / Nationality:OLD WESLEYAN
Section:Section 2A ROW 6
Cemetery:Rookwood Cemetery
Place:Sydney
County:New South Wales
Country:Australia

(also)

Associated records
Stuart SLADE 26 Jan 1874 16 who was accidentally drowned (Sandstone obelisk)
Myra Lucy SLADE 11 Sep 1877 10 mths
Joseph SLADE 13 Aug 1888 72
Louisa SLADE 23 Dec 1906 76 his wife

Well this is interesting..

Harriett went out "under protection of her brother-in-law and sister, John and Selina White and arrived 10 January 1842

On same vessel was Walter Kington born Trowbridge.

Later that year they married.

They are back in England by time of 1861 census.

:-S

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

(not sure about that time)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

(probably something about in above Aus. Newspapers)

Lol, enough to keep you busy now for a while!.

Chris :)

Death

5014/1888 SLADE JOSEPH (Parents) JAMES SARAH District RANDWICK

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html


The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)Tuesday 14 August 1888

SLADE.-August 13. at his residence, "Wyrallah, Randwick, Joseph. Slade, in his 72nd year.


http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Deceased Estates&ID=15&query=slade&frm=0

(his Will)


http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/e/l/Carl-Nelson-2/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0047.html

Yes just found a few interesting titbits on FHS....Joseph and his wife and 7 month old son went to Australia as Bounty immigrants accompanied by Melissa Dorcas in 1840. And Harriet accompanied by Selina and John White in 1842

So perhaps I should look for Selina coming back alone??

Jude

1901
TABOR, Thomas C Head Married M 78 1823 Retired Stockbrokers Clerk
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, Penelope Wife Married F 69 1832
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, Penelope Ann Daughter Single F 33 1868
East Indies Bombay Presidency India
Piece: 440
Folio: 90
Page: 5
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: Battersea
Municipal Borough:
Address: 25, Prince Of Wales Road, Battersea
County: London

1891
TABOR, Thomas C Head Married M 68 1823 Stock Brokers Clerk
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, Penelope S Wife Married F 59 1832
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, James A Son Single M 25 1866 Printer Compositor & Reporter
East Indies
TABOR, Penelope A Daughter Single F 23 1868
East Indies
Piece: 429
Folio: 142
Page: 35
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: Battersea
Municipal Borough:
Address: 27, Edna Street, Battersea
County: London

1881
TABOR, Thomas C Head Married M 58 1823 Stock Brokers Clerk Army Pensioner
Trobridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, Penelope S Wife Married F 49 1832
Trobridge, Wiltshire
TABOR, Thomas S Son Single M 16 1865 Apprentice Chemist
Poona, India
TABOR, James A Son Single M 15 1866 Scholar
Poona, India
TABOR, Penelope A Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Poona, India
Piece: 647
Folio: 134
Page: 20
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: Battersea
Municipal Borough:
Address: 31, Latchmere Street, Battersea
County: London, Surrey

1871
TABOR, Thomas C Head M 48 1823 Wiltshire
TABOR, Penelope Wife F 39 1832 Wiltshire
TABOR, Susan M Daughter F 13 1858 Ireland
TABOR, Thomas S Son M 6 1865 India
TABOR, James A Son M 5 1866 India
TABOR, Penelope A Daughter F 3 1868 India
Piece: 704
Folio: 71
Page: 26
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: St Mary Battersea
Municipal Borough:
Address: Culvert Rd, St Mary Battersea
County: London, Surrey


Transcription of Marriage Indexes 1709 - 1893
Presidency of Marriage Bombay
Marriage Year 1863
Husband First Names Thomas C
Husband Surname Tabor
Wife First Names Penelope
Wife Surname Slade
IOR Reference Z/N/3


Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
TABOR Penelope 79 Melksham 5a [56]1


Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Tabor Thomas Coombes 81 Barnet 3a 147

(Wills for both!)

(above family could be interesting, for starters!)


1851
SLADE, James Head Married M 71 1780 Cloth Worker Retired
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
SLADE, Sarah Wife Married F 64 1787 Spinner
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
SLADE, Penelope Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Dress Maker
Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Piece: 1840
Folio: 399
Page: 34
Registration District: Melksham
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Municipal Borough:
Address: Charlotte Street, Trowbridge
County: Wiltshire

Chris :)

Trowbridge Museum
TRWBM:2002.19
Document
Record of the Services of John Brown alias Thomas Coombes Tabor of Trowbridge, Wiltshire who enlisted in the army, 56th Regiment of Foot, September 1846

history.wiltshire.gov.uk/museums/index.asp

Well Selina's will finally came! I am not sure there was not bad feeling between her and James and Maria's children as there is absolutely no mention of the children in her will! They were of course well catered for in James' will.

Anyway it clears up a lot about her family......

Going back first to James' will there were originally two executors; John Phillips, tailor, who we have already established was the husband of Selina's sister Ellen Norah. The second executor was John Newman, a clothier.

Selina's will mentions:

Her sister Ellen Norah Phillips
Her late brother James Slade
Her late sister Elizabeth Frost
Her brother Joseph Slade
Her sister Harriet Kington
Her late sister Sarah Newman - guess this was John's wife
Her sister Melissa Dorcas
Her sister Penelope Tabor

The will was originally written in November 1883 in Trowbridge some six months after James had died.

There was a codicil dated 1895 - still in Trowbridge - because the two executors John Phillips (her brother-in-law) and Samuel Little had both died.

So I guess I have plenty of tree-filling to do!

Yeah Chris that's the death I have for James and Edward's father. A recent amendment to my tree....for a long time I thought Richard Marchant and his wife Jane Elliott were my direct line. Then I found that their son James born 1811 was not my great great grandfather (thankfully I suppose because that would have made him 14 when he married)....and so it turned out that Richard's sister Ann was my James' mother...and she married another Marchant - John born Frome...Ancestors didn't make it easy did they? :-)

Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------
Marchant John Melksham 5a 66

(did notice above Burial on DO website, could be the one next to Edward A on 1851, says born Frome, Som. 1778)

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(above good for Frome)

TS..yes I have most of this...including the brothers' bankruptcy :-( Though I didn't have the newspaper bit about Grace's death.

I have actually sent for Selina's will and they have cashed the cheque:-)

I think it is going to be one of those when you just have to surmise....

Thus far I am with Joonie....

In 1851 they were all in Trowbridge.

By 1861, three daughters had moved to Cardiff. Sarah must have moved there with her husband....Maria must have moved there in time to meet, court and marry my great grandfather in 1861.

Now whether they followed James or he followed them, with a sick wife in tow I don't know. But in February 1859 Maria senior died and they were living in Cardiff and by November he had married another woman from Trowbridge. So common sense says he knew Selina before they moved to Cardiff.

As for her...I don't know where Perkins comes from....

the first 1841 is Edward Ames I think...they were all from Trowbridge.

Can't wait for the will to come to see if any of the money went back to the Marchant children

1841 Edward in Fore Street a shoe maker no other Marchant with him

MARCHANT, Edward M 25 1816 Wiltshire VIEW Piece: 1182 Book/Folio: 9/35 Page: 19 Registration District: Melksham Civil Parish: Trowbridge Municipal Borough: Address: Fore Street, Trowbridge County: Wilts

Also 1841, I wonder if this is him as well and the above is just the shoe makers shop?

Both Edwards are 25 and both are shoemakers.
MERCHANT, John M 50 1791 Wiltshire VIEW
MERCHANT, Mary F 55 1786 Ireland VIEW
MERCHANT, Edward M 25 1816 Wiltshire VIEW
MERCHANT, Mary F 20 1821 Wiltshire VIEW
MERCHANT, William M 15 1826 Wiltshire VIEW
MERCHANT, Jane F 13 1828 Wiltshire VIEW Piece: 1182 Book/Folio: 5/54 Page: 28 Registration District: Melksham Civil Parish: Melksham Municipal Borough: Address: Broughton Road, Melksham County: Wiltshire

***EDIT**** think this one went on to marry Hannah

From FMP
Bristol Mercury 05/05/1946
(the shortened version by me as it goes on a bit and I can't C & P it)

Edward Ames Marchant in copatnership with James Ames Marchent Clother previously a shoemaker carrying on a business namely John and Edward Marchant shoe makers. Unsolvent debtor called to appear before court etc


Bristol Mercury 12/09/1946
....James Ames Marchant in copartnership with Edward Amess Marchant for the past four years, residing at Long Field, Trowbridge, Wilts. Under the name of James and Edward Marchant clothiers and for the last two years as Grocer and Shop Keeper of Long Field Trowbridge. An insolvent debtor (note: not sure if that is Edward or James)

Wiltshire Independent 29/11/1949
Deaths: Lately at Trowbridge after a short and sever illness which she bore with patience and Christian fortitude, Grace Drinkwater the wife of Edward Ames Marchant

The marriage was 16/02/1843 her father was William from New Town
Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
ABBOTT Mary Ann Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view
Bronker Sarah Ann Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view
>>>>Flower Grace Drinkwater Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view
>>>>MARCHANT Edward Ames Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view
Robbins Joseph Alfred Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view
Shepherd James Melksham 8 525 Scan available - click to view

Name: Edward Ames Marchant
Birth Date: 1814
Birthplace:
Age: 29
Spouse's Name: Grace Drinkwater Flower
Spouse's Birth Date: 1811
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 32
Event Date: 16 Feb 1843
Event Place: Melksham, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name: John Marchant
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Flower
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15341-2
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1279377
Reference ID: 2:XXHMQT

Edward didn't get christened until 1840
Name: Edward Aims Marchant
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Feb 1840
Christening Place: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Birth Date: 11 Oct 1813
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Marchant
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15916-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1279432
Reference ID:

Jude Im sure you probably have this already but Ill post in case it helps

Selina's Probate
Selina Marchant died 26/11/1904 (doesn't give an address) Probate to Benjamin Porter clothworker and Frederick William Long book-keeper. Effects £903 3 s

Possibly this is Ben in 1901. No occupation given

PORTER, Benjamin Head Married M 72 1829
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW
PORTER, Ellen Wife Married F 71 1830
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW Piece: 1932 Folio: 16 Page: 23 Registration District: Melksham Civil Parish: Trowbridge Municipal Borough: Address: 5, The Down, Trowbridge County: Wiltshire

Possibly Frederick William Long 1901
LONG, Joseph Head Widower M 64 1837 Woollen Factor Cashier
Hilperton, Wiltshire VIEW
LONG, Fredrick W Son Single M 42 1859 Clerk (Engineers Iron)
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW
LONG, Emma R Daughter Single F 39 1862 Housekeeper
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW
LONG, Ernest B Son Single M 32 1869 Bookkeeper Woollen
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW
LONG, Florence E Daughter Single F 30 1871 Dress Maker
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW
LONG, Edith G Daughter Single F 24 1877 Teacher Of Music
Trowbridge, Wiltshire VIEW Piece: 1932 Folio: 67 Page: 6 Registration District: Melksham Civil Parish: Trowbridge Municipal Borough: Address: Cour Field House, Trowbridge County: Wiltshire refine search back to 1901 census search results1901 address search

I have her in 1861. She is in Cardiff with James. They are transcribed as james ann merchant and salena merchant lol. Still there in 1871 and back in trowbridge in 1881. He dies in 1883 and I lose her then until she dies in november 1904

Yeah I saw there were a few john white deaths!

figuring out whether John White died ... seems pretty hopeless

there are 3 John White deaths in Melksham in the 1840s alone

Selina may have partnered with a Perkins after marrying White and used the name Perkins and so married James under that name, but never actually been married to a Perkins ...

but she still oughter be somewhere in 51 and 61 !!

Well Chris that's the line I have been following...

This is what I believe is father James and mother Sarah in 1841

Name: James Slade
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Hundred: Melksham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1182
Book: 10
Folio: 32
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James Slade 60
Sarah Slade 50
Samuell Slade 15
Penelope Slade 10

The two people below them are

Name: John White
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Trowbridge
Hundred: Melksham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1182
Book: 10
Folio: 32
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John White 25
Selina White 20

This establishes the link to John Phillips...

spouse: Elleanora Slade
Name John Phillips
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Elleanora Slade
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 12 Apr 1837
Event Place Trowbridge,Wiltshire,England

and Sarah the boarder in 1861 is Selina and Elleneora's mother who had been widowed in late 1851.

BUT...I can't find Selina as White in 1851; I can't find a marriage to Perkins between 11 April 1840 whether as Slade or White or anything else come to that!

Jude