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Hope there isn't a previous posting of this..................I don't feel inclined to read all the pages.

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First Name:Edward Saxton
Last Name:Tully
Date Of Baptism:1924
Date Of Birth:1924
Father's First Name:-
Mother's First Name:-
Place:Secunderabad
Presidency:Madras
Father's Last Name:Tully
Mother's Last Name:-
Archive Reference:N/2/135
Folio:98
Page:-
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set:British India Office births & baptisms
Category:Birth, marriage, death & parish records
Record collection:Births & baptisms
Collections from:Great Britain

The marriage image on the new record of John Roach to Elizabeth White showed him to be a drummer with the 6th Regiment.

I'll try looking at images of possible Roach baptisms to see if I can check occupation of the father as you think he may be your man.

First Name:Matilda
Last Name:Roach
Date Of Baptism:12 Jun 1855
Date Of Birth:29 Apr 1855
Father's First Name:John
Mother's First Name:Elizabeth
Place:Bangalore
Presidency:Madras
Father's Last Name:Roach
Mother's Last Name:-
Archive Reference:N/2/34
Folio:97
Page:-
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras

Father a drummer in 6th N ? (Can't read 2nd letter)

EDIT:

Died young:

First Name:Matilda
Last Name:Roach
Date of Death:05 May 1857
Date Of burial:06 May 1857
Year Of Birth:1855
Age:2
Place:Arcot
Presidency:Madras
Archive Reference:N/2/38
Folio:-
Page:245
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948

Daur of John Roach drummer 6th Native Infantry and Elizabeth his wife.

First Name:Adelaide
Last Name:Roach
Date Of Baptism:21 Nov 1859
Date Of Birth:17 Oct 1859
Father's First Name:John
Mother's First Name:Elizabeth
Place:Rangoon
Presidency:Bengal
Father's Last Name:Roach
Mother's Last Name:-
Archive Reference:N/1/96
Folio:242
Page:-
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

Father a drummer 6th Regt M N ?

EDIT: died young:

First Name:Adelaide
Last Name:Roach
Date of Death:22 Nov 1859
Date Of burial:22 Nov 1859
Year Of Birth:1859
Age:1M
Place:Rangoon
Presidency:Bengal
Archive Reference:N/1/96
Folio:-
Page:340
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948

Father a drummer 6th regt

I have tried to pm you images of the 1854 marriage for John Roach and 1903 for John (Anthony) Roach.

Was Stanley known as Oscar....?

First Name:Stanley Oscar
Last Name:Tully
Date Of Baptism:1919
Date Of Birth:1919
Father's First Name:-
Mother's First Name:-
Place:Secunderabad
Presidency:Madras
Father's Last Name:Tully
Mother's Last Name:-
Archive Reference:N/2/125
Folio:179
Page:-
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set:British India Office births & baptisms
Category:Birth, marriage, death & parish records
Record collection:Births & baptisms
Collections from:Great Britain


?????

Name: Stanley O Tully
Birth Date: abt 1919
Date of Registration: Sep 1967
Age at Death: 48
Registration District: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 147

Unfortunately, not very informative!!!!!!!!!!!!!


First Name:Edward Saxton
Last Name:Tully
Date Of Baptism:1924
Date Of Birth:1924
Father's First Name:-
Mother's First Name:-
Place:Secunderabad
Presidency:Madras
Father's Last Name:Tully <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Last Name:-
Archive Reference:N/2/135
Folio:98
Page:-
Catalogue Description:Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set:British India Office births & baptisms
Category:Birth, marriage, death & parish records
Record collection:Births & baptisms

Finally, the 1903 marriage:

Bride's Forename:Edith Winifred <<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's Surname:Yates <<<<<<<
Bride's Age:16
Groom's Forename:John <<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Surname:Roach<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Age:29
Year Of Marriage:1903
Date Of Marriage:28 Jan 1903
Place:Secunderabad
Presidency:Madras
Bride's Father's Forename:Henry <<<<<<<<<<
Bride's Father's Surname:Yates<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Father's Forename:John <<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Father's Surname:Roach <<<<<<<<<
Archive Reference:N/2/6
Folio No.:72
Catalogue Description:Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, :
Entry No.:-
Record set:British India Office marriages
Category:Birth, marriage, death & parish records
Record collection:Marriages & divorces

On the image of the marriage register Edith's father is HENRY Yates. No occupation given. Groom's father John Roach is deceased. Groom is a Guard on H H N G S Ry ( I might have got initials wrong)

and the bride's age tallies with the baptism with reversed forenames I posted previously on this thread, as does her father's name.

Name: Winifred Edith Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 28 Sep 1887
Christening Place: Girgaum, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1887
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C58000-5
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 523861
Reference ID: v 61 p 207

On a new version of the record, Henry is a compositor.

A John Roach and Elizabeth also have these children in India. No maiden name given for Elizabeth. John Roach a common name in the army, and Elizabeth laso a common name:

Name: Nelly Grace Roach
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 02 Feb 1877
Burial Place: Pursewaukum, Madras, India
Death Date: 01 Feb 1877
Death Place:
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1877
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: John Roach
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B00203-5
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521865
Reference ID:

Name: John Roach
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Jan 1869
Christening Place: Kurnool, Madras, India
Birth Date: 09 Jan 1869
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Roach
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00069-4
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521857
Reference ID: v 50 p 9

NB No middle name Anthony .

Name: Joseph Roach
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Feb 1873
Christening Place: Cuddapah, Madras, India
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Roach
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00069-8
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521861
Reference ID: v 54 p 44

Name: Josephine Jane Roach
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 13 Oct 1878
Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 28 May 1878
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Roach
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-3
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521866
Reference ID: v 59 p 320

Census 1864 in Massachusetts for age of John Roach and Elizabeth White:

"Massachusetts, State Census, 1865"
Name: John Roche
Age (Expanded): 31 years
Birth Year (Estimated): 1834
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Ireland
Marital Status: Married
Event Place: Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Family Number: 85
Line Number: 32
GS Film number: 0954576
Digital Folder Number: 4287716
Image Number: 00269

Household Gender Age Birthplace
John Roche M 31y Ireland
Elizabeth Roche F 28y Ireland
Mary Roche F 3y Massachusetts
William Roche M 1y Massachusetts

Death of a possible child for the couple - to place their possible transit from India to USA if the same couple. Did they later reuse the deceased child's name for John Anthony Roach?:

Name: John Roach
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 13 May 1856
Death Place:
Age: 1
Birth Date: 1855<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: John Roach
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00795-8
System Origin: Massachusetts-EASy
GS Film number: 593721
Reference ID: 1447

???????????????

EDIT, Just realised this John Peter D'Sylva can't possiblybe William's father, as he's two years younger than him...! Duh...

Name: John Peter D'Sylva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: 1826
Birthplace:
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Maria Hart<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Birth Date: 1830
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 18
Event Date: 06 Mar 1848
Event Place: Madras, Madras, India
Father's Name: Thomas D'Sylva<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Cornelius Hart<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00058-8
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521846
Reference ID:


I just wish we could confirm whether or not Winifred Edith Yates was the Edith Winifred [possibly Yates depending on reliability of your source ] married to JAR.

What we really need is confirmation of that 1903 Yates-Roach wedding, and names of both fathers would be very useful.

OOOOh - look what William D'Silva/D'Sylva's wife Elizabeth's likely maiden name was....

Name: William D'Sylva<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: 1824
Birthplace:
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Birth Date: 1833
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 16
Event Date: 29 Jun 1849
Event Place: Cuttack, Bengal, India
Father's Name: John Peter D'Sylva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75005-5
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 498987
Reference ID:

??????

All very speculative


Name: Grace D'Silva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Jan 1865
Christening Place: Bellary, Madras, India
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1858<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William D'Silva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00069-0
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521853
Reference ID: v 46 p 60

familysearch.org has several other offspring for William and Elizabeth Da Silva

Name: Florence Violet Yates
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 May 1881
Christening Place: Vepery, Madras, India
Birth Date: 03 Apr 1881
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-6
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521869
Reference ID:

Name: Elizabeth Violet Yates
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 Oct 1899
Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1898
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00071-2
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 527461
Reference ID:

More sibs?

Name: Elizabeth Georgiana Grace Yates
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Jul 1876
Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 08 Jul 1876
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-1
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521864
Reference ID: v 57 p 208

Name: George William Yates
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 May 1881
Christening Place: Vepery, Madras, India
Birth Date: 04 Jan 1879
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-6
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521869
Reference ID:

Following that possible line, sibs for Winifred Edith....

Name: Bertram Nathaniel Yates
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Jan 1896
Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1895
Birthplace: Madras, India
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-8
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 527457
Reference ID:

Name: Lionel Frederick Hector Yates
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Oct 1884
Christening Place: Vepery, Madras, India
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1884
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75025-2
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521872
Reference ID: v 65 p 298

Name: Albert Henry Yates
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Aug 1875
Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 07 Jul 1874
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-0
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521863
Reference ID:

Born before the wedding?

I have no idea if Winifred Edith Yates whose baptism I posted earlier is the Edith aka Edith Winifred who was married to JAR (if I was named Winifred Edith, I'd prefer to switch the names and be known as Edith).

Anyway, I'm posting that baptism again, followed by possible parents. all from trusty familysearch.org

Name: Winifred Edith Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 28 Sep 1887
Christening Place: Girgaum, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1887
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C58000-5
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 523861
Reference ID: v 61 p 207

Marriage of parents?

Name: Henry Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: 1852
Birthplace:
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Grace D'Silva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Birth Date: 1858
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 16
Event Date: 05 Oct 1874
Event Place: Madras, Madras, India
Father's Name: Joseph Yates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William D'Silva<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00107-6
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 521863
Reference ID:

If she married in 1903 as you say - I can't corroborate that yet, she would have been 16 more or less, so quite feasible, especially in India. Grace D'Silva was also only about 16 when she married.

????????????

Name: Jessy ROACH
Event type: Birth
Date: 28 Oct
Year: 1861
Location:
Parents: John, Drm., 6th Madras N.I.; Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<
Notes:
Event type: Baptism
Date: 10 Nov
Year: 1861
Location:
Parents: John, Drm., 6th Madras N.I.; Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Notes:
Transcribed by: British Library
India Office Records Reference:
N/2/42 f.298
Source name:
Source year:
Source edition:
Presidency: Madras

Edit N I seems to stand for 'Native Infantry'

Again, probably a red herring as both parents' names are quite common

Problem is, if the information you found was submitted from someone's tree, you don't know how much of it was accurate, and how much was supposition.

I still can't actually tie JAR to John Roach and Elizabeth White who married in 1854 in India, as we still have no record of his birth. They may well be spot on, but as yet we cannot confirm it.

EDIT: In the 1861 Army list there is more than one John Roach currently serving in India, and others serving elsewhere, so it seems to have been quite a common name.

Name: Mary Roche
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 06 Jan 1862
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Roche<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza White<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01081-4
System Origin: Massachusetts-EASy
GS Film number: 1954512
Reference ID:

These are almost certainly the same couple under a variant spelling in Massachusetts:

Ellen Roach's baptism clashes with an 1872 birth for John Anthony??? Unless he was born 1873 and the death record got it wrong.

With the exceptin of the Ellen/John potential clash, all the other births take place after the India wedding and before the birth of John Anthony

Name: William Roche
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 14 Apr 1864
Event Place: Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Gender:
Race:
Registration Date:
Registration Place:
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Christening Age:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Father's Name: John Roche
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth White
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Additional Relatives:
Reference ID: v 169 p 323
GS Film number: 1428036
Digital Folder Number: 4341184
Image Number: 397

EDIT: Could he have been named after William White, Elizabeth's father on the 1854 India wedding?

ARGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spoke too soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Catherine Roch
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 20 Nov 1876
Event Place: Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Gender:
Race:
Registration Date:
Registration Place:
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Christening Age:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Father's Name: John Roch
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth White
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Additional Relatives:
Reference ID: p 293
GS Film number: 1428168
Digital Folder Number: 4341192
Image Number: 922
Sources

BUT, do we know if JAR's birth was actually in India? I still can't find it ANYWHERE :-(