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Thank you JoonieCloonie! Corrected on ancestry and also thought of adding the name Hardy?! Let me know what you think?

Also thank you for the 1841 Choccy!

Catherine, wow thank you so much - now, to answer your question. I have NEVER found a marriage between Joseph Hardy and Isabella Tennant and I have looked! I did it in the pre internet days in my local library using the St. Catherine's House indexes on microfiche! And in regards to Samuel Booth - I didn't know he even existed until a few days ago when I found this article!

And Samuel looks to have had a few partners himself.

For more information on Joseph, he was living in Stockton, County Durham by 1858 as his wife Isabella died there for a problem with pregnancy ... the death certificate is very vauge. Hs was living in Middlebrough by 1861 and his daughter had moved there by 1871, where the both married and died in 1930s. Joseph was visiting a family in Cumbria in 1881 and was possibly in the Middlesbrough Workhouse in 1896, but only for a short time. He seems to have retired to Swainby, a village near Stokesley in North Yorkshire and he died there in 1902.

Interesting to note from ancestry records:-

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Mary Hardy
Name: Mary Hardy
Date of Trial: 21 Feb 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Cumberland, England
Sentence: 6 calander months hard labour each
Crime: Keeping Disorderly Houses
Date of Execution or Release:

Others on trial with her:-

Thomas and Charlotte Watson
Jane Edgar
John Smith and
Mary Bell

..............and here they are in 1851:-

1851 England Census about Charlotte Watson
Name: Charlotte Watson
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Knaresboro, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: English Street
County/Island: Cumberland
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Name: Thomas Watson
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: English Street
County/Island: Cumberland
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1851 England Census about Jane Edgar
Name: Jane Edgar
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Kirklinton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: English Street
County/Island: Cumberland
(Married - occupation:- Prostitute)
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Name: John Smith
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Broughton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: English Street
County/Island: Cumberland
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Can't see Mary Bell ?

Can't see baptism for Samuel either but here again for ref:-

Joseph Hardy, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Joseph Hardy
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 19 Jul 1829
Christening Place: SAINT CUTHBERT,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND

Mother's Name: Mary Hardy

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05598-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 90579, 90580, 90581

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also found this one, is this another sibling?

Jane Hardy, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

Name: Jane Hardy
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Oct 1820
Christening Place: SAINT CUTHBERT,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND

Mother's Name: Mary Hardy

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05598-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 90579, 90580, 90581

just for ref:-

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Booth Samuel 84 Middlesbro' 9d 377

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and also baptism for sibling Margaret:-

Name: Margaret Hardey
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Dec 1831
Christening Place: SAINT CUTHBERT,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND

Mother's Name: Mary Hardey

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05598-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 90579, 90580, 90581



May I just ask if you have the marriage certificates of either of the brothers?
Would be interesting to know if they put down the name of a father, or not!

I also see you live near Eston, well there's a coincidence, I was born in M'bro so not a million miles away.
:-)

So looks as though Eleanor could very well have died as children were not hers;-

Catherine Mary Booth, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Catherine Mary Booth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Dec 1865
Christening Place: ESTON,YORK,ENGLAND

Father's Name: Samuel Booth
Mother's Name: Jane

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00754-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 573990
Reference ID:
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Samuel Bouth, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Samuel Bouth
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Sep 1867
Christening Place: ESTON,YORK,ENGLAND

Father's Name: Samuel Bouth
Mother's Name: Jennet

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00754-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 573990
Reference ID:
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Also another child that died:-

Margaret Eleanor Booth, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Margaret Eleanor Booth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Sep 1871
Christening Place: ESTON,YORK,ENGLAND

Death Date: 02 Mar 1874

Father's Name: Samuel Booth
Mother's Name: Janet

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00754-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 573990
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............and William looks to have had even another mother:-

William Booth, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: William Booth
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Sep 1869
Christening Place: ESTON,YORK,ENGLAND

Father's Name: Samuel Booth
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00754-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 573990


Sorry still can't see Mary.

Also, could this be her house? Granted she was in prison at the time ... oh why didn't this advert include an address?!

TO LET, with Entry at WHITSUNTIDE next, all that DWELLING HOUSE occupied as a BEER SHOP, consisting of Kitchen, and Three Rooms above, with with a Close Yard, and other conveniences in good repair, and now occupied by Mrs. MARY HARDY. – Apply to Messrs. CARRICK & LEE, Solicitors, Brampton.
25th April, 1855.
(Carlisle Journal Friday 27 April 1855)

Thank you so much again! So it looks as though one brother took the name Booth and one, my ancestor, Joseph, took the name Hardy.

There was also a sister Margaret born 1831 ... I assume she died young.

Likewise, can't find a baptism for Samuel and how lovely to see what became of him. Funny, I am typing this a 10 minute walk away from Eston which is where he lived. Small world.

With this, can't find a baptism or marriage for Mary herself. I also suspect she died in Carlisle in 1864 so hoping she is on another census. The 1855 marriage could be her, but I suspect not, as why would she be recorded as Mary Ann there, and not previously.

Thank you so much again for your help!

Missing 1851 for Samuel ? :-

1851 England Census about Samuel Bouth
Name: Samuel Bouth
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
Town: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Iron Refiner

Condition as to marriage: unmarried

Registration District: Stockton
Sub-registration District: Yarm
ED, institution, or vessel: 20e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 63
Piece: 2383
Folio: 325
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sidney Hall 45
Isabella Hall 45
Elizabeth Hall 19
Sidney Hall 14
Margaret Hall 6
Samuel Bouth 47
John Adams 16

Brother Samuel looks also to have moved to Middlesbrough and looks as though he was a Gamekeeper :-

1861 England Census about Samuel Booth
Name: Samuel Booth
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eleanor Booth
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Eston
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Farm House

Occupation: GAMEKEEPER

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration District: Guisbrough
Sub-registration District: Kirk Leatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 25
Piece: 3654
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Booth 53
Eleanor Booth 40 born: Dalston, Cumberland

EDIT ???

Deaths Mar 1863 (>99%)
Booth Eleanor Guisbro 9d 332

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1881 England Census about Samuel Booth
Name: Samuel Booth
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Catharine M. Booth
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Linthorpe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Thorn St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Unemployed
Registration District: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration District: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4857
Folio: 47
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Booth 70
Catharine M. Booth 75 born: Eston, Yorkshire (could be daughter)
Samuel Booth 14 born: Eston, Yorkshire
William Booth 11 born: Eston, Yorkshire

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Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
Booth Catherine Mary Guisbro' 9d 431

Births Jun 1867 (>99%)
Booth Samuel Guisbro' 9d 439

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
Booth William Guisbro' 9d 441
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1891 England Census about Samuel Booth
Name: Samuel Booth
Age: 82
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Eston
Ecclesiastical parish: Eston
Town: Grangetown
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Living on own means

Condition as to marriage:

Registration District: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration District: Ormesby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4016
Folio: 60
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Booth 82
William Booth 21
Catherine M Booth 25 - Daughter
Evan Williams 25 - Son in law
Margaret E Booth 6 - Grandaughter

??

1841

RG number: HO107
Piece: 175
Book/Folio: 2/17
Page: 29

Reg. District: Carlisle

Sub District: St Cuthbert

Parish: St Cuthbert


City/Municipal Borough: Carlisle

>>>>>Address: English Dan Side, St Cuthbert, English Street, Carlisle

County: Cumberland


>>>>>>BOOTH, Mary F 40 1801 Cumberland
BOOTH, Samuel M 25 1816 Cumberland
BOOTH, Joseph M 12 1829 Cumberland
HUDSON, Ann F 20 1821 Cumberland
JACKSON, Mary F 15 1826 Cumberland
WATSON, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Cumberland
RUMNEY, Jacob M 50 1791 Cumberland
RUMNEY, Jane F 40 1801 Cumberland
RUMNEY, Jane F 20 1821 Cumberland
RUMNEY, Ann F 1 1840 Cumberland
DALSTON, Eliza F 20 1821 Cumberland
GRIERSON, Mary F 20 1821 Cumberland

Peter - with Choccy's info I searched for her at Ancestry w/o surname

Ancestry calls her Mary BEROTH

if you want to see the record there -- and correct it for future searchers :-)

Thank you - odd it isn't on ancestry. Is she on the 1861?

Peter

Peter the 1851 that Choccy found was on Find My Past

Choccy - call me stupid, but where did you get this from? I can't find the 1851 on Ancestry ... I had looked also before making this post.

Also, if any one could please find a marriage for Mary Hardy/Booth (already looked on familysearch to no avail), and a baptism (would prefer a second opinion), that would be appreciated.

Thank you again! Great to have that birth place!

Thank you so much! Catherine and Choccy - wow, thank you! I had looked but couldn't find this, but I am a little tired after transcribing newspapers all day!

Now, the 1851 is interesting ... note that Mary BOOTH/HARDY'S house is in English Damside, which is where Sarah Hardy her granddaughter was living in 1851, and where she was born in 1850 (I have a copy of her birth certificate).

With this, the following article shows her son Joseph gathering bail for his mother:

Mr Moore – Very well; call Joseph Hardy of Union Street.
Mr P.J. Dixon – Who is he?
Mr Kitts – Oh, he’s a son of Mary Hardy’s.
Mr Moore – Never mind that; sons or brothers will do.
Mr Jackson – There can be no objection to reasonable bail, keeping in view the position in life of the persons.
Mr Moore – If the Magistrates refuse this bail, and an application is made to the Court of Queen’s Bench, the Court will say it is amply sufficient.
Joseph Hardy then said he worth £20 after payment of all his just debts.


(Carlisle Patriot Saturday 03 February 1855)

NOTE IN 1861 Census, posted above, SARAH HARDY, daughter of JOSEPH HARDY was living in UNION STREET, CARLISLE, with her maternal grandmother. With this, the same article goes onto state:

While the officers were engaged in bringing Mrs Hardy from gaol in a cab, Mr Moore and Mr Kitts amused themselves and the Court by “chaffing” each other.
Mr Moore – Mrs Hardy is a very respectable woman.
Mr Kitts – Yes; she has been convicted once, and kept a disorderly house for the last 50 years, if the newspapers are correct.
Mr Moore – Oh, never mind the newspapers; they are not always correct; she is “a very respectable woman.” (Laughter.)
Mr Kitts – Yes; I beleive the inhabitants burned her effigy 20 years’ ago. (Renewed laughter).
Mr Moore – I never heard of that. She is a “very respectable woman.” (Laughter).
Mr Kitts – Yes; so respected by a certain class of gentleman that I understand they are going to build her a new house in the country.
Mr P.J. Dixon – What! In the rural district? (Laughter.)
Mr Kitts – Yes.
Mr Moore – I am glad to hear that. I hope you will subscribe! (Renewed laughter.)
Mr Kitts – Oh yes, I will look after her.
Mr Moore – Mrs Hardy is “a very respectable woman.” (Laughter.)
The officers here arrived with “Old Mally”; bail was accepted, and she was again set at liberty.
(Carlisle Patriot Saturday 03 February 1855)

HOWEVER, there is a problem when we see:

Mrs. Hardy has two sons, gamekeepers; and I have seen one of them, “Joe,” go by with dogs. Their masters may go and look after them for anything I know.

(Carlisle Journal Friday 02 March 1855)

I have never seen Joseph Hardy noted as a gamekeeper before ... what do you think? In 1861 he is living in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire and lived there over the next decades and his daughters moved and settled there. In these years Joseph seemed to have worked as a 'fitter'. He was baptised in 1829 in Carlisle son of Mary Hardy, singlewoman. Hmmm thoughts and opinions appreciated.

Thank you!

Well, that certainly looks to be her in 1851.

1851


RG number:HO107
Piece:2429
Folio:480
Page:11
Reg. District: Carlisle
Sub District: St Cuthbert

Enum. District: 9B

City/Municipal Borough: Carlisle

Address: County Gaol, English Street, Carlisle

County: Cumberland


BOOTH, Mary Widow F 60 1791 Brothel Keeper
Alston Moor, Cumberland

????

Deaths Dec 1855 (>99%)
Hardy Mary Ann Carlisle 10b 226

If this is one of her sons, then maybe she too retook the name of Hardy?


1851 England Census about Joseph Hardy
Name: Joseph Hardy
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sassabella Hardy
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Carlisle, Scotland
[Carlisle]
Civil Parish: English Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
Town: Carlisle
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration District: Carlisle
Sub-registration District: Wetheral
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 66
Piece: 2429
Folio: 540
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hardy 22
Sassabella Hardy 21
Sarah Hardy 5 Mo

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1861 England Census about Sarah Hardy
Name: Sarah Hardy
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Henry Tennant
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Botchergate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration District: Carlisle
Sub-registration District: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 6
Piece: 3915
Folio: 31
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Tennant 70
Henry Tennant 34
xxxx Sarah Hardy 10 xxxx (see 1851 census)
Ann Hardy 9

Hi there,

This post pertains to some research I found on Saturday.

Since then, I have also found this article and would like to find this ancestor in the 1851 and 1861 census:

MARY BOOTH, otherwise MAY HARDY, was indicted for keeping disorderly house, at English Damside. She pleaded “not guilty”. Mr. M’Oubrey conducted the prosecution; the prisoner was undefendead. After a careful investigation, the case was clearly proved, and the Jury returned a verdict of guilty. In passing sensentce, his Lordship said he had no doubt she kept this sort of house. As she had stated, she had lived for forty or fifty years in the same house; and it more the same for her that she, in her old age, with her grey hairs, and one foot in the grave, should be promoting immorality, as she was no longer fit for it herself. He did not know whether she had any daughters to bring up, but she appeared to have no feeling for those parents who ha; and he beleived that she kept this place to promote immorality amongst those girls who would otherwise be decent and moral in their conduct. The sentance of the Court, therefore, upon her was, that she be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for six calendar months. (Carlisle Journal Friday 28 February 1851 CUMBERLAND SPRING ASSIZES.)

AND, then four years later, a lengthy article which shows:

MARY BOOTH, otherwise MARY HARDY, (aged 65, widow, neither reads nor writes), who had been out on bail, surrended herself to take her trial, on a charge of keeping a disorderly house for the purposes of prostitution, at the English Damside, in this city.

(Carlisle Journal Friday 02 March 1855)

Obviously Mary may have died by the 1861 census but I can't find a death for her ... can you help?

Peter