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this is why I asked for Annies parents

I don't know who her actual parents are
I thought they were William T Thums & Ann - her maiden name is proving hard to find, has been for a while!
William was born in 1831 and Ann in 1833

Kempina.... I'm afraid I don't follow?

If Annie KIRBY married Arthur THUMS in 1884 but is staying with her brother JOHN Kirby in 1891 then why wouldn't she be recorded as her brother's sister?

Perhaps if I find a death date for Arthur, this could confirm he died while the children were still young.
Annie could have remarried, and the children's name be changed?

The reason AnnieThums nee Kirby was staying with her brother in 1891 was because her husband Arthur had gone ahead to the USA - she later joined him as we can see from the US 1910:

1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Arthur Thums
Age in 1910: 43
Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Sidney, Delaware, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1891 <<<<<
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie Thums
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Thums 43
Annie Thums 43
Arthur E Thums 24
Lillian Thums 22
Burt Thums 16
Ernest A Thums 14

You can see the elder 2 children are those from the 1891. They are shown as born England. The younger 2 born New York.

Just takes a bit of logical deduction (and a worldwide sub).

EDIT: Have added note re: children's birthplaces.

Sorry Marieceleste I got it wrong

Oh wow! This is great news! Thank you so much :O
I had no idea we had family over there... even distantly!
So her name was Lillian, not Lillie I take it?
Can I also ask how you found these records?

That explains why I've not been able to find the family in the 1901/1911 census.

I have tried looking for John and Annie Kirby as children but haven't found them together in a census yet,


Chris

They may be relations of Peter Kirby, Arthur's mother married him in 1875.

EmilyJade - I'm sure Lillie was registered as Lillie but they may have decided Lilian sounded nicer.

I found them on ancestry as I have worldwide but there are a lot of records you can find about them on FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

I guess if you're researching Thums it's how Arthur fits in that you need to research?

I've figured it now.
The problem was my ancestors kept having children until they literally couldn't anymore. Therefore there was various Arthurs and Williams born around the same time periods.
Thankfully, I've bought a full subscription now, so it's all become clear. Be nice if I could somehow find some pictures of these relatives, but I'm failing to find any!

Connected thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1335837