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That looks like what I found re 1871 census. Looks like my Thomas was not at Wandsworth after all re 1881? Also looks like I have been looking at the wrong marriage for Clara. Ah well!

I have found my East End relatives quite a challenge to research, with all the place names seeming to change, and with missing marriages and lack of parish records. I also have a link by marriage between the Dartnell's and Vanlints, but there are no parish records I could find for these either, although I had read that the Vanlints are originally Huguenots that came to England in 1685.

Sorry about that I meant Maureen!! put it down to a senior moment.

Thomas with his parents and sister Ada.


1871 England Census about Thomas Dartnell
Name: Thomas Dartnell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Dartnell
Mother's Name: Ann Dartnell
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John The Evangelist in the East
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household Schedule Number: 8
Piece: 531
Folio: 37
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dartnell 34********Bricklayers Labourer
Ann Dartnell 34
William Dartnell 15
Johnie Dartnell 13
Thomas Dartnell 10***************************
John Dartnell 8
Walter Dartnell 5
Ada Dartnell 3***********************
Sarah Dartnell 1

Thomas Dartnell is the uncle to my grandfather, on my fathers side of the family! My grandfather is Ernest Henry Dartnell 1900-1988

Chris you're on the same track as I am.

There is a probate for the Tom Dartnell from Croydon to his wife Emma. His father was also a Thomas Dartnell so thats why he comes up as Tom I should think.

Re latest post from Chris, this tallies with my tree, I am definitely related to the Bartels this is common knowledge within my family.

1901
DARTNELL, Thomas Head Married M 39 1862 Government Pension (Hurt) (Mint)
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Clara E Wife Married F 40 1861
Plumstead
DARTNELL, Edward F Son Single M 17 1884 Painters Labourer
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Laura B Daughter Single F 16 1885 Fancy Box Maker
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Rose L Daughter F 15 1886 Sewer Boot Trade
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Henry T Son M 13 1888
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Ernest F Son M 10 1891
Middlesex, London
DARTNELL, Sarah A Daughter F 8 1893
Middlesex, London
MORLEY, Charles Visitor Widower M 45 1856 Painter (House)
Middlesex, London
MORLEY, Charles C Visitor M 16 1885 Doctor Lad
Middlesex, London
Piece: 217
Folio: 124
Page: 23
Registration District: Hackney
Civil Parish: Hackney
Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, High Street Homerton, Hackney
County: London

(is above your Thomas?)

Chris :)


Deaths Mar 1937 (>99%)
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Dartnell Clara E 76 Hackney 1b 597

A little confused but wouldn't this be the 1891 chap?
1881 England Census about Thomas Dartnall
Name: Thomas Dartnall
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George in the East
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 56 Grove St
<<<<<<<Occupation: Coiner Royal Mint
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 451
Folio: 90
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Bartels 23
Sophia Bartels 24
George H. Bartels 3
Charles F. Bartels 2
Eliza Sophia Bartels
Ada Dartnall 13
Thomas Dartnall 19
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 451; Folio: 90; Page: 14

Haven't looked at the image.

Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
DARTNELL Thomas 44 Whitechapel 1c 189

(is this the Death you refer to?)


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
DARTNELL Tom 45 Croydon 2a 174

(wondering about above also)

Chris :)

What connection are you to Thomas please Jean?

Doing well Jean, only 2 to go! I'm finding GR very slow today - perhaps you hit the submit button several times thinking that it hadn't registered first time.

It's undoubtedly GR's fault :-)

Jude

Sorry, I am doing this an iPad, but not sure how it is physically possible for me to have sent 15 messages simultaneously in the same minute?? I am trying to delete the duplicates. :-D

Jean..obviously a glitch at 1551 as you original post appears about 15 times :-)

Jude

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
ARY Clara Croydon 2a 266 xxxxx
COLE Lizzie Croydon 2a 266
Dartnell Tom Croydon 2a 266
Tupper William Frederick Croydon 2a 266 xxxx

Tom Dartnell, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Tom Dartnell
Birth Date: 1863
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Lizzie Cole
Spouse's Birth Date: 1864
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 1884
Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England
Father's Name: Edward Dartnell
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Cole
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13563-8
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 994337
Reference ID: 2:3DXML35

Clara Ary, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Frederick Tupper
Birth Date: 1864
Birthplace:
Age: 20
Spouse's Name: Clara Ary
Spouse's Birth Date: 1865
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 19
Event Date: 1884
Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England
Father's Name: Thomas William Tupper
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Ary
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13563-8
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 994337
Reference ID: 2:3DXML4C
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"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJGB-9P3 : accessed 04 Jan 2014), William Frederick Tupper and Clara Ary, 1884.

He married Clara Elizabeth Vose.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Thomas Dartnell
Name: Thomas Dartnell************MINT COINER<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Clara Elizabeth Vose
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Dec 1882
Parish: Stepney St John the Evangelist
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Dartnell*****Builder********
Spouse Father: Francis William Vose******Cordwainer*******
Register Type: Parish Register

Hi, Thomas Dartnell 1861-1905 born in St.Lukes, London,married to Clara Ary 1861-1937, is listed as being an inmate at Wandsworth Prison in 1881, yet he is working as a civil servant at the Mint in 1891! I would really like to find out why he ended up in prison, can anyone help? I have so far been unable to find anything under newspapers on genes website. Many thanks