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Hi Reggie,
I am sorry Reggie but I gave the wrong date in my last post, the John Cooper that I was asking about was John Cooper born 1824.
Regards, Sheila

Reggie, do you have any other in formation on John Cooper b1880.
I would be grateful for any help.
Regards, Sheila

And his status was..................?

Hi Reggie,
George Cooper was 45 on his marriage to Maria Llewellwyn.
Sheila

Have you looked yet at the Herts website...............link posted some days ago.

At the moment, you have no proof that George's father was actually John.....only the name of a deceased 'father' on a marriage cert

Did you take note of the suggestion I made with regard to HARRIET's marriage?

Could you please answer the question about George's age when he married in 1878...........

...........and, in addition, tell us the names of the witnesses - and George's marital status

I am quite new to this page and it is the first time that I have tried to find family here so I am sorry if I have not given enough information in the first instance. This is the family that I know at the moment.
My mother Mabel Cooper b 1918 certificated
Her father George Walter Cooper b 1881 certificated
His father George Cooper b 1833 certificated on his marriage
His father John shown on the above marriage certificate as deceased
Marriage certificate of George Walter Cooper to Lizzie Reeves 1901
Marriage certificate of George Cooper to Maria Llewellyn 1878

John Cooper my gg granddad is who I am at the moment looking for.

I hope that this will help me towards finding John and his parents.

Regards, Sheila

The Llewellyn marriage is borne out by the second forenames of children on 1911 census............and by the OP's post at top of this page

1841
COOPER, John M 45 1796 (Labourer)
Piece: 435
Book/Folio: 3/24
Page: 10
Registration District: Ware
Civil Parish: Ware
Municipal Borough:
Address: Kibe's Lane, Ware
County: Hertfordshire

(is above who you are linking to?)

Chris :)

edits (as Reggie says, Cert. info. would be useful)

William Newton of Ware
Harriet Cooper of Ware
Ware St Mary
19 May 1840

(also, the other George Cooper/Henrietta Shadbolt 1878 Marriage, on Ancestry London, his occ. also Baker!, his Father, William Cooper. Deceased)

If you haven't been able to find info for JOHN, how can you quote a birth year for him?

1841 census


Person: NEWTON, Jno Address: Amwell End Dickinson's Yard, Ware


NEWTON, Wm M 25 1816 Hertfordshire VIEW
NEWTON, Ht F 20 1821 Hertfordshire VIEW
NEWTON, Jno M 0 (9 months) 1841 Hertfordshire

It would have been helpful if you had told us ALL that you knew when you first posted......................

Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
COOPER Harriet Ware 6 791 **************
HANKIN Eleanor Ware 6 791
HEARD Jane Ware 6 791
NEWLAND Charlotte Ware 6 791
NEWTON William Ware 6 791 ****************
PAGE Jonathan Ware 6 791
PAGE Jonathon Ware 6 791
REASON Amon Ware 6 791
VIGERS William Ware 6 791

The father may have been alive when the above marriage took place..............get a copy of the cert to find out

Census info for Maria with her parents was posted some days ago........did you read it?

How OLD was George when he married?

Where have you looked in trying to find info?

Have you tried to follow-through on the 1851 census?......also posted some days ago

Thank you, for all of you replies, They agree with my research so far. I have birth and marriage certificates for most of the family but when George Cooper married Maria Llewelwyn all the certificate said was, George's father was John Cooper, deceased and Maria Llewellyn's father was Charles Llewellyn deceased. I am desperate to find out about John but have hit a brick wall.
I would be grateful if anyone has any relevant information.
Regards,Sheila

I'll let Sheila know about the replies to her query :-)

Hi Sheila,

To help us help you, can you please let us know how you got back to John Cooper.

Do you have the marriage certificate for George Cooper and Maria (1878)?

Why do you think that George also had the middle name of Walter?

As your George was an army invalid in 1891, I assume he was the Private who joined the army in 1856 and was invalided out in 1874. His year of birth was given as 1833 (as you mention above) but the censuses show a wide variation on this.

We really need to know what it says on the marriage certificate :-)

1881 census

Person: LLEWELLYN, Emily Address: Hole In The Wall (Greytree), Foy

REEVES, Charles Head Married M 66 1815 Agr Laborer
Cam, Gloucestershire VIEW
REEVES, Sarah Wife Married F 64 1817 Agr Laborers Wife
Goodrich, Herefordshire VIEW
REEVES, Louisa Niece Single F 20 1861 Shopkeeper
How Capel, Herefordshire VIEW
LLEWELLYN, Emily Boarder Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Brampton, Herefordshire VIEW
BRADLEY, George Lodger Head Single M 64 1817 Agr Laborer
Foy, Herefordshire

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/leisculture/heritage1/hals/indexes/indexes/

(above has a link too)

Chris :)

Name: Emily Llewellyn
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 May 1868
Christening Place: BRAMPTON ABBOTTS,HEREFORD,ENGLAND

Father's Name:
Mother's Name: Maria Llewellyn

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: K13859-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 992637