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If you are certain I wont bother anymore you can make up your own mind who his parents were

Hi patchem and jax

To respond to your questions:

patchem. Good reminder. I haven't recently but it could be worth another try when I have a bit of time.

jax. I am confident that the William who enlisted in the Grenadier Guards in Cork was my great grandfather.

Thank you both for your interest and help.

Cheers

John

You seem to think that boys would be tied to their mothers aprons strings and that she would be there with him in Ireland...No they were not.....18 was quite old to join up back then and what proof do you have that he is your William? all the marriage cert says is soldier....do you have anything passed down through the family to prove it

Also how do you know he was from Somerset?

Have you tried to contact anyone on here who has any of the Walters in their trees?

They may have information that helps to confirm, or otherwise, any possible mutual ancestors.

John, unless I have taken leave of my senses, it has been shown that your William is the more likely the son of Richard and Hannah and nothing to do with the Ann living in Bristol. And Hannah of course sounds very much like Ann anyway.

And as Jax says there is no mention of Richard being deceased on the marriage certificate and he states that his father was a shoemaker not a cordwainer.

There is some good research pointing to Richard and Hannah and their (at least) seven children

Jude

Where have you got the info about his mother being Ann?

You said the marriage cert for William says his father was Richard and dec'd the one I saw does not say that he was dead

Hi All

Many thanks to all of you for your interest in my family.

I am as sure as I can be that my paternal grandfather William was the child of William and Lucy and was born in 1861. Lucy's husband stated that his mother was Ann and his father was Richard. But I have not been able to identify either of them from the online records with certainty. I have made some assumptions on likely contenders on the basis that their details did not contradict anything known and sometimes confirmed a reasonable assumption.

This is why I was wondering if anybody could suggest online records that I may not have found because they are not mainstream and could possibly throw some light on my mysterious ancestors.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

John

Can someone enlighten me? So are we saying that William's mother was NOT Ann but more likely Hannah?

And there were all these likely children..

WALTER, Richard M 15 1826 Somerset
WALTER, Jane F 13 1828 Somerset
WALTER, Ellen F 10 1831 Somerset
WALTER, Clara F 9 1832 Somerset
WALTER, George M 7 1834 Somerset
WALTER, William M 4 1837 Somerset
plus Frederick

And this is likely Hannah's death

First name(s): Hannah
Last name: WALTER
Date of burial 23 Aug 1841
Age at death: 46
Calculated year of birth: 1795
Place of burial Batcombe
Dedication: Blessed Virgin Mary
County: Somerset

Jude

Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
Lucy Walters
Baptism Date:
10 Jan 1860
Shere, St James
Parish Shere
Father:
William Walters (Private Soldier)
Mother:
Lucy Walters

Chris :)

(if related below, his Baptism posted earlier, same date as the Mary Ann)

Marriage
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 4
MarriageDate 26 Dec 1837
GroomForename Frederick
GroomSurname WALTER
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Westcombe in Parish of Batcombe
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname HILL
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Batcombe
GroomFatherForename Richard
GroomFatherSurname WALTER
GroomFatherOccupation Shoemaker
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname HILL
BrideFatherOccupation Tanner
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname GREEN
WitnessTwoForename John
WitnessTwoSurname SWAINE

1841
WALTER, Fredrick M 20 1821 Somerset
WALTER, Ann F 20 1821 Somerset
WALTER, Sarah F 3 1838 Somerset
Piece: 376
Book/Folio: 42
Page: 22
Registration District: Bedminster
Civil Parish: Bedminster
Municipal Borough:
Address: Stone Buildings, Bedminster
County: Gloucestershire


Burial
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 598
BurialDate 13 Jan 1850
Forename Richard
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname WALTER
Age 88
Abode Batcombe

Burial
County Somerset
Place Batcombe
Church St Mary the Virgin
RegisterNumber 74
BurialDate 21 Jun 1866
Forename Richard
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname WALTER
Age 72
Abode Batcombe


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1287495

(getting confusing!)

Their daughter Lucy was born in Shere Surrey in 1859.
She appears on the 1861 with her mother Lucy (Soldiers Wife) and Grandmother Ann Puttock and 1871 as Neice to William and Emma Bridger with other members of the Puttock family.

Ahhh...so the 1841 census that for Ann William and Alfred that John has based his research on is not his William?

We need John to come back and answer some questions..

Jude

If that is them the father Richard was still alive when William married

Household transcription
1861 census

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Person: WALTER, Richard
Address: Broad Street, Batcombe
WALTER, Richard Head Widower M 66 1795 Shoemaker
Batcombe, Somerset VIEW
WOODBURY, John Boarder Unmarried M 21 1840 Agricultural Labourer
Pilton VIEW
COCK, William Boarder Unmarried M 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer
Batcombe VIEW
GROVES, Alexander Boarder Unmarried M 32 1829 Sawyer Labourer
At Sea VIEW

Just following him through the census records

1841 census transcription details for: Westcombe Street, Batcombe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 963
Book/Folio: 1/5
Page: 3
Reg. District: Shepton Mallet
Sub District: Evercreech
Parish: Batcombe
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Westcombe Street, Batcombe
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WALTER, Richard M 45 1796 Somerset>>>>>>>Shoemaker
WALTER, Hannah F 45 1796 Somerset
WALTER, Richard M 15 1826 Somerset
WALTER, Jane F 13 1828 Somerset
WALTER, Ellen F 10 1831 Somerset
WALTER, Clara F 9 1832 Somerset
WALTER, George M 7 1834 Somerset
WALTER, William M 4 1837 Somerset

1851 census transcription details for: Kale Street, Batcombe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1933
Folio: 174
Page: 13
Reg. District: Shepton Mallet
Sub District:
Parish: Batcombe
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Kale Street, Batcombe
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALTER, Ann Head W F 30 1821 Char Woman
Brewham, Somerset
WALTER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 11 1840 At Home
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, Frederick Son Unmarried M 9 1842 At Home
Wellington, Somerset
WALTER, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844 Scholar
Wellington, Somerset
WALTER, Henrietta Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Scholar
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, George Brother In Law Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy &c
Batcombe, Somerset
WALTER, William Brother In Law Unmarried M 12 1839
Batcombe, Somerset

Maybe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 435
Folio: 4
Page: 4
Reg. District: Farnborough
Sub District: 1 Farnborough
Parish: Farnborough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Farnborough
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALTERS, William Soldier Married M 24 1837 Private
Westcombe, Somerset

If that is your tree on Ancestry you have William born 1836 somerset... marrying 1859 London and dying 1861 somewhere?

Have you found him on any census apart from 1841 that says Gloucestershire?....how do you know he was born Somerset and how do you know the William who joined the army in Ireland is your William

Also the marriage for William and Lucy states father Richard Walters Shoe maker...no mention of him being dec'd (but of course he could be)

On your other thread it was said that the 1841 census says born' in the county' which would mean Gloucestershire NOT Somerset

There is no where on that page where Somerset is mentioned (apart from transcription on FMP and I guess Genes) so it must be a mistake it does not say Somerset on Ancestry....They did not ask Where...just Yes, No or Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts

I see I also replied two years ago giving the 1841 census and Alfreds possible birth reg, but you never returned to that one

Related searches

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1290000

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326830

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1287494

Couple of questions John..

How do you know that the William Walters that married Lucy Puttock is the son of
Ann?

When did he enlist with the Grenadiers in Cork?

Jude

So who is your PROVEN ancestor?

HI Reggie

I am not CERTAIN of any of the things. It just seems to me that from my researches that none of the information I found contradicted any of the other information.

Yes, I tried looking for Richard in the census records but found nothing that could be definitely him.

I found ANN's baptism on FreeReg.

Cheers

John

As you appear to have access to census records, have you tried looking for Richard?

On which site did you find Mary's baptism?

How certain are you that the marriage cert for William is for a son of Ann?

Is he your proven direct line?