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Thank you Argyll Gran.. I'm hoping to make even more progress now I have found the tree on ancestry that has many of the names you have mentioned above.

I am incredibly grateful for everyone's help as there is no way I would have got this far on my own!

Regards Zoe

In 1901 Edward Mozart (Margaret's husband) is a tramway conductor, so this will be him in 1871:


1871 Scotland Census about Edward I Mozart
Name: Edward I Mozart
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration number: 692/1
Registration District: Leith North
Civil Parish: Leith North
County: Midlothian
Address: Trafalgar St No 3
Occupation: Railway Clerk
ED: 26
Household Schedule Number: 50
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_168
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Durie 53
Catherine Durie 47
Alexander Durie 20
James Durie 16
George Durie 74
Janet Durie 11
Catherine Durie 8
John Deckson 6
Edward I Mozart 18

Yes......I was the one who posted the death!!!!!!!!!!!

Had I not looked for - and posted - the death record, none of the above info would have even been sought......let alone found!

No-one else had checked it...................and Zoe didn't give us the full info, possibly because she hadn't been given it.......or hadn't checked

Why would anyone think Brand was her maiden name? This wasn't an American woman

Originally my mother in law asked if I could find information about her family and gave me her mother's name ~ margaret brand ~ she never mentioned mozart but when someone on here mentioned it, I remembered seeing it as her brother's middle name and made the connection.

Thank you GlasgowLass.. I have just emailed someone on Ancestry who has many Mozarts and Brands in their tree. They also have Lyndsay listed as dying in the same year she was born so what you have said makes more sense.

I wasn't optimistic about finding anything out, based on the little I had to begin with,so i am really pleased with what I now have to go on.

Reggie.
On the death index for Margaret in question
Her name is showing as: Margaret Brand Johnstone
Zoe simply assumed that Brand was her maiden name when in fact ,Margare tBrand was her given/ first names.
Maiden name was Mozart
She was named for "paternal" grandmother

Zoe

Can you explain why you asked for info about people named BRAND?

Zoe
I think I know were we went wrong?
Start again....
Edward Joseph Mozart and Margaret Brand married in 1899.
They had a daughter named Mary Lindsay/ Lindsay Mary Mozart in 1900
THE CHILD DIED THE SAME YEAR

Edward and Margaret had another child.
EDWARD MOZART b 1902.
This son married MARY WILSON in 1925

I cannot be 100% sure but everything does add up that THEY will be the parents of Margaret Brand Mozart and her siblings.
This Edward Mozart died in Cockpen, Midlothian in 1950 and the search options on SP shows that his widow Mary, married William Purves in 1952.

Her name on this marriage search matches with both Wilson and Mozart!!!
Mary Purves died in Midlothian in 1985 aged 75yrs
Again, the death search matches all 3 names: Mary Purves/Mozart/Wilson

Wooo Hoo

GlasgowLass.. you said there were 7 births in the Midlothian area but have only listed 6?

Might explain why Edward doesn't appear on census between 1871 and 1901?

Seems to have boarded in Melbourne

Name: E J Mozart
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 18 May 1896
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Drumelzier
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Drumelzier' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 2333



????

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923

Name: Edward J Mozart
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 8 Nov 1877
Arrival Port: Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Hankow
Nationality: Foreigner

Thank you! The marriage to Purves was her second.. I'm not sure who her first husband was?

Would Edward or Margaret have had other children as they seemed quite old 39 / 40 to have had their first child, Mary in 1900?

Zoe,
Margaret Brand
Born in Cupar, Fife on 5 Jul 1860
She was the daughter of Robert Brand and Lindsay Shaw.

She married Edward J Mozart in Edinburgh in 1899 when she was about 39 yrs old

A chld named Mary Lindsay Mozart was born in Edinburgh in 1900 and at this stage, she is presumed to be the child of Edward and Margaret. although she does not appear with them on the 1901 census

A child named Margaret Brand Mozart was born in Edinburgh in 1933 and at this stage, she is presumed to be the child of Mary Lindsay Mozart.
( a first born daughter is traditionally named for her maternal grandmother. IE Margaret Brand)

Margaret Brand Mozart married William Johnstone in 1955 and died in1989.
Her death index shows her first/christian names as Mary Brand but her maiden name was Mozart.

Looking now at your last post, there is now a potential marriage for Mary.
Marriage of William Purves and Mary Mozart 1952. Cockpen, Midlothian

Something about this doesn't look right.

If above marriage refers to Mary, the mother of Margaret Brand Mozart, she would be over 50yrs old in 1952.
Where do Margaret's siblings fit in now?
Could above be a 2nd marriage?

EDIT:
Not quite sure if we are on the right track?
between 1916 and 1952 there are 7 matches for Mozart births in Scotland, all are registered in Midlothian.
4 males and 3 females
So far (and some fit with Zoe's info)


John Mozart b 1925
Edward Mozart b 1930
Jean Mozart 1931*
Mary Brand Mozart 1933*
James Mozart 1937*
Eileen Mozart 1944*

Ohh was very excited when I saw the name Mozart as that is the middle name of Margaret's son.

That is the correct marriage ArgyllGran thank you.. I was a year out!

My mother in law seems to think that Margaret kept her mum's maiden name and married name, hence Brand Mozart. She had two brothers and two sisters, Jean, Eileen, Jim & Terry.

So Mary Lindsay Mozart born in 1900 should be her mum, Mary? Who then married a Brand? My mother in Law never met her biological grandad as she says that her gran remarried a man with the second name Pervis.

Could Edward J Mozart be Mary's father? If so, shouldn't Mary have shown up on the 1901 census?

Thank you for all your help.. I wouldn't have been able find all this information on my own!

Death of Margaret's grandmother:

1932 MOZART MARGARET BRAND F 72 PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/08 0104

Death of Edward:

1928 MOZART EDWARD JOSEPH M 76 GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 1417

1881 Scotland Census about Margaret Brand
Name: Margaret Brand
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cupar, Fife
Registration number: 692/1
Registration District: Leith North
Civil Parish: Leith North
Town: Leith
County: Midlothian
Address: 2 Jamaica Street
Occupation: Housemaid Domestic Servt
ED: 21
Household Schedule Number: 335
Line: 2
Roll: cssct1881_297
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Macdonald 70
Eliza Macdonald 34
Robert A Macdonald 53
Frederick J Macdonald 29
Margaret Howie 58
Robina Bolt 23
Margaret Brand 20



1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Brand
Name: Margaret Brand
Age: 9 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Brand
Mother's Name: Lindsay Brand
Gender: Female
Where born: Cupar, fifeshire
Registration number: 420
Registration District: Cupar
Civil Parish: Cupar
Town: Cupar
County: Fife
Address: 9 Lady Wynd
ED: 2
Household Schedule Number: 78
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1861_54
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Brand 38
Lindsay Brand 37
James Brand 16
Robert Brand 11
Henry Brand 9
Vialet Brand 7
William Brand 5
John T Brand 2
Margaret Brand 9 Mo

1891 Scotland Census about Margaret Brand
Name: Margaret Brand
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Cupar, Fifeshire
Registration number: 685A/2
Registration District: St George Burgh
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Stephen
County: Midlothian
Address: 7 Gloucester Pl
Occupation: Housemaid Domestic Serv
ED: 8
Household Schedule Number: 44
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_333
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Macdonald 77
Eliza Macdonald 44
Charlotte J Macdonald 41
Jane C Taylor 36
Sarah A Wigmor 28
Margaret Brand 30
Isabella G Keldie 21

1901 Scotland Census about Edward J Mozart
Name: Edward J Mozart
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Mozart
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration number: 685/3
Registration District: Canongate
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 7 Meadowbank
Occupation: Trainway Conductor
ED: 38
Household Schedule Number: 35
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_379
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Mozart 47
Margaret Mozart 41

Possibly Mary Brand b1900 - as per Zoe???

1900 MOZART LINDSAY MARY F CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/03 0728

Parents' marriage?

1899 MOZART EDWARD JOSEPH
BRAND MARGARET
LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0070

Seems rather early, given Margaret's birth 1933. Anyway, clearly not the Mary Brand b1900 as given by Zoe.

They're more likely Margaret's grandparents?

Birth:
1933 MOZART MARGARET BRAND F CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/03 1274

How about this marriage ??

1955 JOHNSTONE WILLIAM SMITH
MOZART MARGARET BRAND
LASSWADE /MIDLOTHIAN
691/00 0114