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Reggie I did read the info albeit briefly. The incoming in 1960 has a Winifred with Geoffrey Brian and Ellen and ROY - who is Percy because he's not on the Ancestry record that I DO have access to....


Jude

Hi Jude

The 1960 passenger list has nothing to do with this family. I think the only reason Reggie posted it was because you mentioned a Geoffrey Curtis........who is in fact Gary R Curtis.

Hello everybody..I'm back :-)

Sorry work full time and when I finshed (because hubby is off tonight) we have had an hour or teo down the local!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry yes the child when travelling alone was Gary...well it weas early this morning and I was guessing blind without info :-)

So on basis that it is the one with Geoffrey - born 12.2.20 with Geoffrey *.11.54 and two other children Brian and Ellen

Got to dash now to watch the World Cup Draw!

Jude

Pierre - what made you think that Winifred's surname had been Jones? (Or have you edited your opening post to reflect information found?)

Armed Forces registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Ralph R Curtis married Winifred A Ives
Name: CURTIS, Ralph R
Place: Cape Town
Country: South Africa
Year: 1942
Page: 757
Spouse's last name: Ives
Record source: GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)

Name: IVES, Winifred A
County: South Africa
Year: 1942
Page 757
Spouse's last name Curtis
Record source: GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)

EDIT: You can order a copy of this marriage certificate from GRO for £9.25
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

But basically Winifred was never mentioned openly by family members.

My Dad left the RAF soon after this, 1952, I often wonder if this had any influence on his RAF Record? Such were things in those days.

Hi,
Yes, there were indications from other family members that he had married Winifred and had a child with her. The info I heard was sadly that most of Ralph's family rejected Winifred and her son because she was a non white South African. My Mum knew later of Winifred and her son and was very shocked at knowing about the rejection.

I have just checked the image of the 1946 arrival passenger list that Jude posted.

Winifred A Curtis...32 Housewife
Proposed address in the UK....56 Surpentine Road, Wallasey (Possibly Cheshire)


Travelling with her is not Geoffrey........it is..

Gary R Curtis age 3

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Gary R Curtis Name: Gary R Curtis
Birth Date: abt 1943
Age: 3
Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa
Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1946
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carnarvon Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 148766

Yes, I think Geoffrey could be my half Brother. Thanks for correcting me. But with a husband called Percy Curtis it just maybe the wrong Winifred? :-(

I'm forgetting my manners, many thanks to you all for the help you are giving me.

But the 1946 sailing on Carnarvon Castle Castle from Durban to Southampton said Winifred was travelling alone with Geoffrey in April 1946? So that would mean he was born before the is date?

Yes, that looks like the Wedding Certificate, my mums Grace May, surname was Dickinson, nee Newell. And Ralph Quilliam was a great uncle who was on of the two witness's.

Sorry my eyes are not good I just saw I'm looking for Geoffrey Curtis not Godfrey Curtis. Wow, just saw the other family info for 1960 passenger list, this is great. And they all have the Curtis name.

As my Dad was born in Cheshire, UK in October 1917, I think Winifred would have been of a similar age. I saw 1915 and now 1914. I don't know of any wedding certificate for Winfred and my Dad. If there was one it may have been South African. I think my father and Winifred met in South Africa at the end of the war whilst he was on active duty with the RAF. Yes, Godrey possibly maybe my step brother. Wish I knew more, but thats why I'm here.

My Dad's, Ralph Raymond Curtis and my Mums in 1951, Southport. Winifred was named on that certificate as my Dads ex.

BTW; I understand that Winifred was South African. That's all I have for now. Would be nice to get more info on Winifred as well of course.

Ronnie was Ralph Raymond Curtis who was in the RAF at the time. My dad.

Yes, the Winifred Adelaide Curtis nee Jones with a son named Godfrey who arrived in UK 1946 is highly likely the person I was referring to.

As I understand it from a later UK wedding certificate Ronnie and Winifred were divorced.

FYI: Ronnie sadly passed away in 1976.

Highly likely that Winifred has passed away as well.

What you have confirmed is the first name of Winifred's son, Godfrey. Many thanks for that. Unfortunately I do not know if Godfrey kept his fathers surname Curtis or his mothers name Jones. Godfrey, if he is still alive would be about 68 or 69.

I don't know if he returned with Winifred to Durban in 1947 on the Winchester Castle. Is there a way to verify that?

So I'll start looking for Godfrey. :-)

Welcome to the boards Pierre

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..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Winifred A Jones Name: Winifred A Jones
Spouse Name: Roland Curtis
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration District: Worcester
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 275

Could you say what your connection is as Winifred may still be alive?

Thank-you

Was she born 1906 and married Roland Curtis in 1928?
Or was she born somewhere other than England?

There's this one coming in

Name: Winifred Curtis
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1920
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 5 May 1960
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Durban
[Port Elizabeth]
[Cape Town]
Ship Name: Pendennis Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Pendennis Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 7177/01

Not Ron but Roy ....

and this is the same one travelling alone with son Geoffrey

Name: Winifred A Curtis
Birth Date: abt 1914
Age: 32
Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa
Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1946
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carnarvon Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 148766

Jude