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I wonder if the prison records will give me more information about John in 1915?

The Carlberg's ran the cocoa coffee room at 41 West Holborn in South Shields from 1879-1883...John ran it from 1884 I think until 1887 when it went into rent arrears ands all the furnishings were sold including household stuff.

It seems(?),though, that Mr and Mrs Carlberg were not in England during the years that your Mr Berg was in residence.

Don't laugh...I DO try...but where did daughter Freda come from???
1911 census transcription details for: 42 York Street
RG14PN30828 RG78PN1761 RD559 SD5 ED10 SN89
Reg. District: Tynemouth
Sub District: Blyth
Parish: Cowpen
Enum. District: 10
Address: 42 York Street
County: Northumberland

GOLIGHTLY, John Head Married M 27 1884 Coal Miner Coal Cutter Northumberland Delaval
GOLIGHTLY, Freda Wife Married
4 years F 25 1886 Scotland Edinburgh Resident
GOLIGHTLY, Olive Daughter F 1 1910 Northumberland Blyth
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Freda Carlberg
Name: Freda Carlberg
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Registration District: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 401
Freda Carlberg
John Golightly
Isabella Hewitson
Robert Hume

Maureen :-S

In the Shields Daily Gazette - Cocoa rooms and 41 West Holborn are the same address

'CARLBERG'S WEST-END COCOA ROOMS, Branch No. 2. 41 West Holborn, South Shields. The above Rooms will be OPENED on Thursday. August 28, 1879, at 12 o'clock noon, the Rev. ENOCH FRANKS, of Hebburn. Revs. James Macken.de, Walter Hanson, and other Ministers and Gentlemen have kindly promised to take part in the in proceedings.

Yes it will - Johns marriage certificate to Jessie stated his profession as 'Proprietor of the Cocoa Rooms' and his address as 41 West Holborn St....let me check it out.

Interesting thread!!!

I have no idea if and where this info might be of use:

1881 census transcription details for: West Holborn, South Shields

RG number: RG11
Piece: 5021
Folio: 15
Page: 27
Reg. District: South Shields
Sub District: South Shields
Parish: South Shields
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: West Holborn, South Shields
CARLBERG, Chas Head Married M 37 1844 Cocoa Rooms (Coffee House)
Germany
CARLBERG, Margt Wife Married F 47 1834
Sunderland, Durham
THORNHAM, Geo Lodger Married M 42 1839 Mariner
Halifax, Yorkshire
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1891 census transcription details for: 41, West Holborn, South Shields
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4164
Folio: 91
Page: 8
Reg. District: South Shields
Sub District: South Shields
Parish: South Shields
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough: South Shields
Address: 41, West Holborn, South Shields
CARLLERY (sic), Charles Head Married M 47 1844 Refreshment House Keeper
Germany
CARLLERY, Margt Wife Married F 47 1844
Sunderland, Durham
CARLLERY, Fredericana Daughter F 5 1886
Scotland
PEARSON, James Servant M 29 1862 Servant
South Shields, Durham
CAMPHFIELD, Edwd Servant Single M 49 1842 Servant
Boston, U S A
MARCH, Elizth Servant Single F 25 1866 Domestic Servant
Birtley, Durham
FELTON, Jane Servant F 28 1863 Domestic Servant
Huntingdonshire

Maureen

Gosh I don't expect you expected that!

She did seem to have a lot to put up with, babies dying, a husband who wasn't who he said he was and went to prison, although that bit did come after her death.

Jessies death certificate arrived today - she hanged herself whilst depressed, accelerated by excessive drinking.......

John did not have 'deceased' against his name, like Jessie did for her father on her marriage certificate to John.
This is the John Berg's timeline so far
1851: Birth possibly in Heinersdorf, near Breslaw Poland (formerly part of Germany), father Joseph Berg.
1881: Story in Shields Gazette on board the New York Liner Otranto
1884: Proprietor of Cocoa Rooms, South Shields, Durham, England. Residence
41 West Holborn St, South Shields. Married Jessie Forsyth from Aberdeenshire
1885:Merchant. Birth of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1886:Story in South Shields Gazette.Refreshment House keeper. Death of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1888:Steward in Steamship. Birth of daughter Cecilia. Lives in South Shields.
1889: Johns father died in South Shields
1891:Wife Jessie died.
1915:Story in Newcastle Journal. Steward in Steamship. Lives at 64 Baltic Street, Leith, Edinburgh
1919: Marriage of Cecilia to Herbert Beckett. Ships Steward.

There may be 2 other possible children, all died within 3 years of birth. The last birth may have been the cause of Jessie's death. I'm still waiting for the birth certificate.

What do you know about Joseph, birth, marriage, occupation etc.

On Cecilia's marriage cert was John definitely still living?

So it does! Thanks. That solve that little puzzle...now back to John Berg....

You could be right re Cecilia as the original says Cecilia is a niece

I think I've found Cecilia in the 1901 census, under the name 'Nevison' - Nevison was the married name of Jessies sister, and they also lived in/near Newcastle.

This is the full text of the Tayside Evening Telegraph

CHANGED NATIONALITY. German Sailed Into British Ports as a Belgian. The plausible excuses of John Berg a German ship's steward residing at Leith, for his deception in posing a Belgian were not accepted by the South Shields Magistrates, before whom appeared on remand, and he was sent to prison for three months. Entering a plea of guilty, his solicitor stated that in 1908, when engaged on ships trading to Germany, Berg, advice given to him, changed his nationality in order to avoid trouble with the German authorities. As he was man getting on years, he thought that if he was interned it would be difficult matter for him to secure work after the interment was over, and that was his explanation for being in his present false position. Berg had been remanded last week on the charge of having, as an alien enemy, entered prohibited area without permission on November 22, and also with having failed to give correct particulars as his nationality when registering on the same date. Inquiries made in the meantime showed that lie had registered himself as Belgian various British ports which he had entered on his ship, and had described himself as a native of Antwerp. Later admitted that he had served for two and a half years in the German Army, first as a private and afterwards in the pay office, and he further confessed that he was born at Heinersdorf, near Breslau. also stated in explanation of his having a Belgian passport that he did not tell the Belgian Consul the truth.

Baptism baby unnamed

Day:11Month:OctYear:1888Forenames:---Surname:BERGFathers Forenames:JohnOccupation:Mothers Forenames:JessieMothers Surname:FORSYTHBirth day:02Birth month:05Birth year:1888Abode:7 Braemar St.Place:NewcastleDescription:Trinity PresbyterianCounty:NorthumberlandCountry:EnglandChecked:NOther info:Other Father:---Other Mother:Notes:

Theres another Jessie McDonald Berg

abt 1887
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1887
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 88

I guess thats the same story as the Newcastle Journal. Jessie died between Oct and Dec 1892 so not sure about the other baby - the death certificate didn't arrive this morning.. Jessie's mothers maiden name was McDonald so it is possible. Forgot to put in the timeline that Joseph Berg died in 1889 in South Shields.

The Evening Telegraph and Post Tuesday December 7th 1914. Tayside Scotland

Changed Nationality

German sailed into British ports as a Belgium

The plausible excuses of John Berg(64) a ships Steward residing at Leith for his deception of posing as a Belguim were not accepted by the South Sheilds magistrates before he appeared pleaded guiltyand he was sent to prison for three months ......1908 when engaged on ships trading in Germany changed nationality to avoid problems with German Authorities .....Later admitted that he had served for two and a half years in the German army first as a private and afterwards in the pay office, and he further confessed that he was born at Heinersdorf, near Breslau. He also stated in his explanation for having a Belguim passport that he did not tell the Belguim consul the truth.


****do you think that baby Jessie MacDonald Berg 1892 - 1895 was also his child she was born the a few months before her mother Jessie died if I am correct with this info.

This is the John Berg's timeline so far
1851: Birth possibly Breslaw Poland (formerly part of Germany), father Joseph
1881: Story in Shields Gazette on board the New York Liner Otrantq
1884: Proprietor of Cocoa Rooms, South Shields, Durham, England. Residence
41 West Holborn St, South Shields. Married Jessie Forsyth from Aberdeenshire
1885:Merchant. Birth of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1886:Story in South Shields Gazette.Refreshment House keeper. Death of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1888:Steward in Steamship. Birth of daughter Cecilia. Lives in South Shields.
1891:Wife Jessie died.
1915:Story in Newcastle Journal. Steward in Steamship. Lives at 64 Baltic Street, Leith, Edinburgh
1919: Marriage of Cecilia to Herbert Beckett. Ships Steward.

Thanks for all your comments - Jessie's death certificate was ordered a few days back - should be in the post tomorrow!