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Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:26

Name: Irene Isobel Maybury-clare
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1903
Date of Registration: Mar 1976
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Wallasey
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 1389

EDIT****
From The London Gazette

Maybury-Clare Irene Isobel. Address at time of death, 27 Rudgrave Square, Wallesey, Merseyside. Date of death 17th March 1976

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:29

Alfred ???

From phone book in 1962

Name: A F Maybury-Clare
Address: 602 Kings rd Stretford
Exchange: LONgford
Directory Title: Chester / Liverpool Nov
Publication Year: 1962
Directory County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Page Number: 471

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:35

Alfred married as Clare:

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Clare Alfred F M Powell Birkenhead 8a 1386

Maybe explains the late baptism?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:38

1891 census


Person: CONOLLY, Lavinia Address: 148, Granton Road, Everton, Liverpool

CONOLLY, John Head Married M 60 1831 Classical Teacher
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Anne Wife Married F 50 1841
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Isabella Daughter Single F 26 1865 Governess
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Lavinia Daughter Single F 22 1869 Dressmaker
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, William Son Single M 16 1875 Shipping Clerk
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Edward Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar
Ireland VIEW
CONOLLY, Corneilus Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Ireland *************


**********Image is Corncilla............the third name of Richard and Lavinia's son

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:39

Does anybody else think that is odd that on Alfred's baptism his parents are given as Harry and Lily and yet on the census they are Alfred and Elizabeth?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:44

As he didn't get baptised until the 1920's, he would have given the names himself.................not necessarily accurately.

As by then the surname had been doubled-up........anything is possible

The census may not be the right Alfred............his birth cert would seem to be an essential purchase

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 14:47

......and where did the 'Lord' come from as in opening post?

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:50

Possible for Alfred, with mother Lillian, in1911:

Name:Alfred Clare
Age in 1911:12
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1899
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Leicester


Name:Lilian Clare
Age in 1911:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1876
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England

Married 13 years, 2 children, both living - but this has been crossed out

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:54

The birth reg has him as Alfred F L; I guess the M in the marriage is for Maybury.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 14:55

Lord is the man's third forename.............as per the birth registration

freebmd version has been posted here twice.............this is from LancsBMD

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MAYBURY Alfred F L West Derby Municipal Liverpool WDM/105/36

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 14:58

Alfred/Irene's marriage from Cheshire bmd:

POWELL Irene Isobel CLARE Alfred Fearon Maybury Poulton, St Luke Wirral C9/4/7

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:11

Going back to the other baptism, could this be the father and is he possible the second child referred to in 1911:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906
MAYBURY Frederick V Toxteth Park Liverpool

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:14

Frederick in 1911 - I did find a marriage for Maybury/Perkins - will look again:


1911 England Census
about Frederick Victor Maybury

Age in 1911:5
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1906
Relation to Head:Grandson
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Leeds
17 De Lacy Nr Kirkstall Leeds

Mary Ann Perkins 77
Jane Perkins 35
Frederick Victor Maybury 5


Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:17

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
MAYBURY Alfred E PERKINS Elizabeth Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

Margaret

Margaret Report 15 Nov 2013 15:20

Thank you everyone. One thing puzzles me - the birth reg and baptism of Alfred indicate born 1898 and on 1901 census supplied by Reggie young Alfred is 2 - that's fine. However the other two Maybury;'s on the census whom I gather are his parents are named as Alfred and Elizabeth yet on the baptism record it says 'child of Harry Maybury-clare and Lily. Are we to assume that there are in fact TWO Alfred Fearon Maybyury-clares ?

Potty

Potty Report 15 Nov 2013 15:24

So, it looks as if for some reason Elizabeth changed her name from Elizabeth Maybury to Lilian Clare between 1906 and 1911 and the two boys combined the surnames.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Nov 2013 15:25

That would seem unlikely, to say the least

Tell your friend to invest in the birth cert.......

After all, you've got the line now..........at least back to Lavinia's parents.

No-one has been able to establish when - or why - 'Clare' was added. It certainly isn't part of the original name, and there is no marriage to explain it

Margaret

Margaret Report 15 Nov 2013 15:31

Thank you everyone for your great efforts. I will certainly have a chat with my friend and spell out for her what she needs to do to clarify all this - deifnitely cert purchasing. Thanks again

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 15 Nov 2013 16:31

Margaret if your friend sends for the certificate please let us know what it says.

Kayak

Kayak Report 15 Nov 2013 17:32

A possibility for where the Fearon name may have come from???

Marriage:

Dec Q1865
Whitehaven 10b 928
Mary Ann Fearon
Frederick Vale Perkins

1881 census:

Elizabeth Perkins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Frederick V. Perkins
Mother: Mary A. Perkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Urmston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Gloucester Rd
Education:



Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration District: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3889
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick V. Perkins 53 born Birmingham occ: Agent to Linen Manufacturer
Mary A. Perkins 47 born Whitehaven
Ann Perkins 11
Elizabeth Perkins 10 born Manchester <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Perkins 5
Emma Lewis 18


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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< marriage

Sept Q 1897
Liverpool 8b 326
Elizabeth Perkins
Alfred Edward Maybury