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thats true, these Bakers have certainly had interesting lives

... and I guess if it is him nothing to say she really was his wife?

Hi again. The Westbourne address I think was for the sisters when they were boarders at St Johns Hostel WESTBOURNE PARK but I will check. Its the wife Mary that Arthur is on board ship with that has me confused. Obviously the only real check is if Arthurs full middle name is given I suppose - or chasing marriage lines.

I wonder if that tree on Ancestry has the correct "Minnie". There is this one

Births Sep 1868 VINE Minnie Islington 1b 198

She is in the same area as Arthur in 1881 and the birth year is a better match?

Name: Minnie Vine
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William Vine
Mother: Emily Vine
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Westbourne Rd <<<<<<<<<<< Did we have some of Arthur's family there?

Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 55a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 241
Folio: 72
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Vine 67
Emily Vine 55
Alice Vine 22
Cecilia Vine 18
Minnie Vine 12
Emily L. Moore 23

I'll have to leave the trail for now folks, I've just realized the time! Thank you so much for all your help and information on Arthur and his whereabouts. Makes interesting reading. Goodnight and once again many thanks.

S

Wife Mary ? was Minerva shortened or did he marry a third time?

Sorry it took a while to reply each time I leave GR site I have to sign in again as it does not recognize me on my return - don't know what's going on

1871

Name: Minnie Vine
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
[Abt 1867]
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John A H Vine
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Vine
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration District: Brighton
Sub-registration District: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household Schedule Number: 46
Piece: 1082
Folio: 106
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John A H Vine 47
Elizabeth Vine 48
Harry Vine 21
Walter Vine 17
Emma Vine 13
Elizabeth Vine 10
Rosina Vine 7
Minnie Vine 11<<<< 4 on image
Anne Pattenden 69


Births Dec 1866
Vine Minnie C Brighton 2b 232

Quite possibly connected to the naturalisation record:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Arthur Baker
Arrival Date: 31 Jan 1876
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Cienfuegos St Iago and Nassau, Bahamas
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cienfuegos

He's a shorthand write, travelling with wife Mary aged 20.

Again, not sure if this is yours:

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Arthur M Baker
Birth Place: England
Court District: New York
Year of Arrival: 1876 - Feb 7th
Date of Action: 1 Oct 1883

A stenographer, lived 384 W 32 Street, NYC

Poor Georgina died young didn't she. Perhaps Florence remained a spinster too. I found a Georgina H Baker married in Dec 1887 but obviously not mine.

Maybe??

Name: Florence E Baker
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jun 1932
Age at Death: 63
Registration District: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 573

Have got no idea what the significance of this is but might as well throw it in the pot.

Came up in Kelly's Handbook 1901

Records: Bengal Civil Service Gradation List 1869
Last name: Baker
First name: Arthur Marley

Name: Georgina E Baker
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Mar 1918
Age at Death: 48
Registration District: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 680

1911

(Big long list of names but sister Florence here too. Both Spinsters and same occupation)

Name: Georgina Baker
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: St Johns Hostel and Training School, Great Western Road, Westbourne Park, Paddington, London W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: ART NEEDLEWORKER
Registration District: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration District: Paddington Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 43

thanks to you all for all your help

S.

Births Sep 1868
BAKER Georgina Edith Pancras 1b 48

for ref.

1891

Name: Georgina Baker
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Florence Baker
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 157
Folio: 154
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Florence Baker 52 - Widow, Dressmaker
Arthur Baker 19 Son, Cabinet Maker
Florence Baker 24 Art Embroidress
Georgina Baker 22 Art Embroidress


So daughter Florence still unmarried

Name: Arthur M Baker
Birth Date: abt 1840
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 12 Nov 1898
Death Place: W. New York, Hudson, New Jersey
Death Age: 58 years
Occupation: Lawyer
Marital Status: Married
Gender: Male
Residence: New Jersey
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
FHL Film Number: 589811

I dont know anything about Florence's middle name and I know Baker is quite common. I did start to look on free bmd and will certainly look again

Which Florence is the daughter, (middle initial?) and have you looked for marriages and deaths on free bmd?

Charles L's son married and disappeared I wonder if he followed his uncle!
Any more on daughter Florence please, did she marry