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it says on Doris's birth certificate that Ethel is a chambermaid (domestic)

There's not necessarily any reason for any of the details to tie up with Folkestone - she may just have gone there to give birth to her illegitimate daughter - maybe somewhere she wasn't known.

Wow!! Can this be her working at Blenheim for the Spencer Churchills??


1901 England Census about Ethel Fuller
Name: Ethel Fuller
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant (Laundrymaid)
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Blenheim
Ecclesiastical parish: Blenheim
Town: Blenheim
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Blenheim Palace
Registration District: Woodstock
Sub-registration District: Woodstock
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 154
Piece: 1391
Folio: 26
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Consuelo Marlborough 24
John E A W Spencer Churchill 3
Ivon C Spencer Churchill 2

Plus 35 servants, including Ethel.

It certainly all marries up, and have looked into those in our search but cant tie up the details with Folkestone

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Grace Roehill Name: Grace Roehill
Gender: Female
Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1910
Departure Date: 25 Sep 1925
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Doric
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Doric' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 147215
Master: S Bolton

Travelling with Ethel Roehill 48......Housewife...153 Shaftesbury Avenue

Country of which citizen or subject......Germany

Country of intended furure permanent residence......USA

I wonder?

would fit with marriag to Otto Roehill :-

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Ethel Roehill
Name: Ethel Roehill
Gender: Female
Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1877
Departure Date: 25 Sep 1925
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Doric
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Doric' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 147215
Master: S Bolton

..............also date of birth would fit.


Address given is 153 Shaftesbury Avenue, London
Travelling with:- Grace Roehill aged 15yrs

well the birth date matches with the birth mentioned before?

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
FULLER Ethel Louise Westhampnett 2b 343

Florida, Naturalization Records, 1847-1995 about Ethel Louise Roehll
Name: Ethel Louise Roehll
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1877 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: Chichester, England
Age: 59
Spouse's Name: William Otto Roehll
Marriage Date: 2 Dec 1909
Marriage Place: London, Ontario, Canada
Naturalization Date: 12 Jun 1936
Naturalization Place: Miami, Florida, USA
Doc Type: Petition
Petition Number: 2192
District Court Location: Miami, Florida

Florida, Divorce Index, 1927-2001 about Ethel Louise Roehll
Name: Ethel Louise Roehll
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: Otto Roehll
Divorce Date: 1943
County: Dade
Certificate Number: 4882

1911 England Census about Ethel Roehll
Name: Ethel Roehll
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chichester, Chester, England (Image says Sussex, Chichester)
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Bellamy Street, Balham S W
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration District: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2302
Household Members:
Name Age
Otto Roehll 35
Ethel Roehll 33
Grace Roehll 1
William Webb 25
James Carruthers 72

If it is the one that married I think they went to USA, but i don't have access to look at birth place

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989
SCHOOLS, DIRECTORIES & CHURCH HISTORIESView Image

NAME: Otto W Roehill
SPOUSE: Ethel L Roehill <<<<
RESIDENCE: date - city, Florida, USA

We have looked into the Roehill but discounted it in the end, but cant remember why !!!

this is the only marriage I can see for an Ethel Louise Fuller:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Ethel Louise Fuller
Name: Ethel Louise Fuller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration District: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 187
Records on Page:
Name
Ethel Louise Fuller
Louisa Holloway
George Robinson
Otto Wilhelm Roehill

.....................which would fit with a birth after 1905, if she was unmarried when she gave birth to Doris, so maybe?

but, as shown earlier there were two possible births for Ethel (if maiden name was Fuller)

This appears to be her birth registered in the first quarter of 1905.......


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Doris Emily J Fuller Name: Doris Emily J Fuller
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Registration District: Elham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1155

Name: Doris Emily Fuller
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Feb 1905
Christening Place: Folkestone, Kent, England
Mother's Name: Ethel Louise Fuller
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00785-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1786457

might be worth looking at this marriage, if Ethel was single when she had Doris, she might then have gone to London.

marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
FULLER Ethel Louise Paddington 1a 187

she married one of these two
ROBINSON George Paddington 1a 187
ROEHILL Otto Wilhelm Paddington 1a 187

We know nothing about Ethel, there is no mention of a father on the birth certificate of Doris, yes that is the right Doris she was brought up and lived all her life in Folkestone

What info is given on the birth certificate for Doris?

Could this be Doris.........

??

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: FULLER, Doris
Address: 17 Saffron's Place Folkestone

TOWNSEND, Fredrick Charles Head Married M 35 1876 Mariner Sawston Cambs VIEW
TOWNSEND, Emily Elizabeth Wife Married11 years F 31 1880 Folkestone Kent VIEW
TOWNSEND, Agnes Annie Daughter F 1 1910 Folkestone Kent VIEW
FULLER, Doris Nurse Child Boarder F 6 1905 Folkestone Kent VIEW
BEAK, Ada Nurse Child F 8 1903 Folkestone Kent VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 4624
Reference: RG14PN4624 RG78PN195 RD66 SD1 ED1 SN198
Registration District: Elham
Sub District: Folkestone
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Folkestone
Address: 17 Saffron's Place Folkestone
County: Kent
(1 child born and living)

same couple in 1901

1901 England Census about Emily E Townsend
Name: Emily E Townsend
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick C Townsend
Gender: Female
Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Eanswyth
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration District: Elham
Sub-registration District: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 183
Piece: 846
Folio: 88
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick C Townsend 24
Emily E Townsend 21



Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)

Bliss Emily Elizabeth Elham 2a 2158
Townsend Frederick Charles Elham 2a 2158