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Forget that last census I put up as the one for the 1861 for John and Mary Ann says he was born Sussex and it also says Mary was from Kent.

Yes,well, has anyone been keeping a good eye on this research?
Seriously.

I'm too busy laughing and booking possible gigs for the "Kev Mo Gins Mel Dee" show when it hits the road,,,,,,

;-)

:-D

Just so's you know Kevin.....we all get on really well and make a good team regarding the research

Mo, we might be back in NY next year.......meet up maybe

Dee~~~~~~~ :-)

Mel~~~~~~~~~~~~

You are ALL very funny. :-D

Sorry,Kevin and thanks for being so nice. <3

Kind regards from New York.....where the english language is spoken. (sort of)

Maureen (nee SMITH)

1861 England Census about John Gardner
Name: John Gardner
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: St George Southwark
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 327
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Blott 39
Frances Blott 40
Martin Blott 13
Harriet Blott 10
Ellen Blott 7
Frank Blott 4
George Betts 18
Charles Taylor 21
William Mitchell 36
D Reess 44
Frederick Johnston 43
Edward Hill 43
John Crooby 42
William Dye 62
George Stell 60
Henry Williams 17
John Carpenter 43
Isaac Bishop 28
William Cripps 44
Thomas Montgomery 32
Samuel Strickland 70
David Goodfellow 43
John Gardner 50********************HAWKER born Devonshire UNMARRED!!!!!!

:-D :-P

And then she claims all the glory, you ask Gins!! ;-) <3

I know this cos I 'ave X-ray binoculars!! Lol

Kevin

Mo is the one who never does nowt on threads ;-)

~~~~~~~~~~~ <3

Johns death?


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%)
Gardener John 60 Epsom 2a 6

The 1871 Census
is provided in
association with:
1871 England Census about Mary A Gardner
Name: Mary A Gardner
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Seal, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Carshalton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Epsom
Sub-registration District: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 211
Piece: 796
Folio: 22
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Gardner 44 > widow, hawker by trade
N Gardner 20
Thos Gardner 18
E Gardner 14
Wm Gardner 11
Geo Gardner 9
L Gardner 7
Jane Gardner 5
Ada Gardner 5 Months
M Harn 39
Ed Harn 7

KEVIN!!!!!!

Get a grip on our names,please.

I'm Mo..........the one who has done nothing on this thread.

;-)

Maureen

no looking at it it cant be the one in the prison if the other 1881 census image is to be believed. I suppose what would confirm it would be a death record of Joh Gardner sometime before 1881,

Kevin,

Who were the witnesses on the 1889 marriage certificate?

wow this is all so much gawd was he really in prison? it would explain a lot

1901 Mary Ann is living on her own means with dau Florence Emily who is marrie dto Henry Robinson a Hairdresser own account born Yarmouth and living in Norfolk.


1901 England Census about Mary A Gardener
Name: Mary A Gardener
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Caister on Sea
Ecclesiastical parish: Caister St Edmund
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:BEACH ROAD****************

Condition as to marriage:

Registration District: Flegg
Sub-registration District: East Flegg
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 131
Piece: 1816
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert F Robinson 27
Florence E Robinson 30
Eric H Robinson 6 Months
Mary A Gardener 70

Hey Mo/Mel
thanks soooo much everyone, it has confirmed some of my research already. Mo i can see why Louisa Hunt might also have put down the name Smith as well - was that common??? As she is recorded as Louisa Gardner ( formerly Smith ) on my nans birth certificate and that has always been a sticking point for me.
I would have said you got the parish record right Maureen and Mo but I do have a marriage certificate for them and it is dated 1889 - the ages do not correspond ( out by 3 years) but the fathers names are the same.
The main area I am stuck on is Louisa's spouse George Gardner ( I perhaps can assume his father was John Gardner- I havent been successful tracking him down
I have a potential in the 1881 census RG11 757 51 11 but I am not sure as the trail has gone cold. So again any help?
Thanks for the tip re Roots web- will defo join
It is sooo nice to know im not alone thanks again :-D

Gins I saw that prison one..................................

1881 England Census about George Gardner
Name: George Gardner
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Mary Ann Gardner
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon Old Town, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Carshalton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Little Wrythe Lane 1 St James Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: General Labourer

Registration District: Epsom
Sub-registration District: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 757
Folio: 51
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Gardner 50 WIDOW*******************Licienced Hawker**********
George Gardner 19
Lena Gardner 16
Jane Gardner 14
Ada Gardner 12
Betsey Penfold 24
Henry Penfold 26
Harry Penfold 7
Mary Ann Penfold 4
Jane Penfold 1
William Lane 66

:-P :-PGins

Thanks Mel and Elizabeth.

Dee-those xray binocs........ ;-)

Moxxx

Wonder if he was in 'clink' and that's why he couldn't marry?

Mo...........speak English!



1881 England Census

Name:George Gardener

Age:19

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862

Relationship to Head:Prisoner

Gender:Male

Where born:Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish:Lewes St John Southover
County/Island:Sussex
Country:England


Street Address:"Her Majestys Prison Lewes (Civil)"


Occupation:General Laborer

Registration District:Lewes

Sub-registration District:Lewes
ED, institution, or vessel:Her Majestys Prision

Piece:1071
Folio:79
Page Number:9