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l'll try that GlitterBaby thank you

Thanks to everyone who gave their time it is very much appreciated

Kind Regards

Pam

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Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
Name: Franciscus Logan
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1906
Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1906
Parish: St Joseph's
Father's Name: Joannis Logan
Mother's Name: Mariae Catharinae Mcguire

Not sure of the address on this one It's PEOVER Street which is around the corner from Queen Anne Street :-)

I don't think it is Susan....they married in 1901. The three baptisms GB posts for Francis Thomas and Daniel are correct - and I think all three of these children died before 1911. And Peter would have been only 1

My best guess is that following on from a difficult birth, they went to visit rlatives in Ireland

Jude

Hi Jude

Yes I thought it looked doggy so deleted it .

Tricky on alright.

Suex

Checked the 1911 for Peover Street Liverpool and there's no sign of them but I don't think all the houses are listed.

Hi Glitterbaby.

I've searched and searched till I'm cross eyed.

I'm beginning to think rootgather could be right they just didn't fill out the form.

I'm still checking the deaths for the Logan brothers Francis. Thomas and Daniel.
So far I haven't found any so they could have lived on to adulthood unlike a younger brother and sister to my dad. Michael and Mary Frances.

Thanks everyone for your help and input. I appreciate the time and effort you have put in.

Regards

Pam

I think this is Thomas
Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Logan Thomas 0 Liverpool 8b 99

I think this is Daniel
Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Logan Daniel 0 Liverpool 8b 31

And this could be Francis
Deaths Sep 1908 (>99%)
Logan Francis 1 W. Derby 8b 394
There is a Catholic burial for this one

I found WW! pension records which are definitely them. Living at Gomer Street. Annoyingly, there is nothing regarding dependants.

I still think they might have gone to Ireland - did either have Irish ancestors? (Good Irish names)

Jude

Hi heyjude

I was hoping the boys had not died as there is a frank that my mother spoke of and my brother remembered visiting us til the 1950s when we moved.

Their mother Mary Catherine Logan's father was born Cavan but had died by the time my dad was born.
I think he died before my grandparents marriage in 1901

Their father John's 2xs great grandparents came over from Ireland I don't know if they had contact with relatives from either side over there.

I know my dad visited his mother and maybe other relatives in the 1950s and maybe the 1960s.

Dad joined the army as a boy soldier. I imagine that's why the two Logan cousins I have found don't know anything of the family
Plus my dad was brought up catholic (his mothers religion)
His fathers side were all in the orange lodge.

What are the WW Pension records? Are they war pension records?
I know nothing of my grandfather so any little tidbits on him would be a great discovery too

Checked all houses in Gomer Street no luck with the Logans

Ah thanks Tenerife sun.

They really are frustrating. If they weren't my grandparents I'd begin to think they were a figment of my imagination.

Regards

Pam

In case you want to check the Irish census. Plenty of hits for John Logan but none for Peter or Mary

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/


Ancestry has WW1 service records, pensions records and medal cards

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: John Logan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 39
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 347536
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Number of images: 7


This is the record mentioned by HeyJude


Next of kin is given as wife Mary Catherine Logan of 23 Gomer St

He only served 108 days and discharged as no longer physically fit

Thank you for finding it.

I'll see if I can get further with it.

GlitterBaby

I only have 30 credits for the military records on here but they say there's no record of him

Where did you find the records?

Pam

I will try and save the records from Ancestry for you but my computer is slow so might take a bit of time

I can then send as attachment thru GR

Maureen

Hi Maureen

Thank you

I could message you my email address l'm not sure how I save them sent through GR

Time isn't a problem its time I went to bed.

Pam

I missed your earlier post about the Irish census
I shall try that tomorrow

Pam

GB, if you've downloaded those records, there are a couple of pages back from the opening link which refer to him.

He had a right side hernia, done lifting timber in 1910 - also was pretty deaf due to measles as an infant. There was also an operation scar for a left side hernia.

Where it asks for childrens names it just says 2 - so wonder does this mean there were still 2 children alive in 1917?

Jude, that catholic burial linked to the death reg for Francis gives an age of 2 yr 10 months at date of burial of 8/9/08, however the image states 22 months (so another mistranscription). This would indicate a birth Nov.06

But the Francis that Pam is looking for was baptised and recorded as born Sept.06 so possibly not the same one?

The godparents for Francis were Francis & Maria McGuire - is Francis a brother of Mary Catherine?

Flip I did wonder about the death for Francis - for two reasons...the age thing and also because Pam's father had memories of him....that's why I said "might" be him!

Pam, downloading attachments from your GR inbox is easy. At the bottom of the message it will say Get Attachments. Click on this and it brings up the attachments. Click on each and it will download to your computer then you can open and save where you want.

Jude