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Massachusetts, Marriage Records, 1840-1915 about Hellen (Hughes) Hughes
Name: Hellen (Hughes) Hughes
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Place: Scotland
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1895
Marriage Place: Stow, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Marriage: 25
Father: William
Mother: Mary Douglass
Spouse: George E Jacobs
Spouse Birth Place: Bolton, Mass.
Spouse Age at Marriage: 37
Spouse Father: George S
Spouse Mother: Caroline Wheeler

It's a second marriage for both of them - so it looks as if her first marriage was to a Hughes, hence the name in brackets - as written on the image.
Her husband George is a milkman.

Can't find a previous marriage.

Re William McCready Hughes and family:

William and Mary only married in 1868, so the son Charles ,aged 14, listed on the 1870 voyage to Canada can't be 14 - unless 14 means months and not years. Anyway, if he was 14 years old, his parents would only have been 12 and 9 at his birth.

As W & M were married in Mochrum, this is probably his birth
1869 HUGHES CHARLES M MOCHRUM /WIGTOWN 892/00 0017

And how sad - he died not long after they emigrated:

Massachusetts, Death Records, 1841-1915 about Charles Hughes
Name: Charles Hughes
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1869
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 17 Aug 1870
Death Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Death: 1
Father: William McC
Mother: Mary

Address: 7 Lewis Street.
Cause of death: Cholera Infantum. [That was a form of gastroenteritis - not true cholera.]

So they went to Massachusetts, too - same as brother Charles & family, and parents Charles & Mary.

You may just have to accept that you've reached a dead end with Mary's birth and parents, Nancy!

You could be right there Polly, the thought did cross my mind that I could be looking at a different Mary...According to all the census records from 1841-1881 she's from Penninghame Wigtown and that was the only birth I could trace...But there could well have been another birth (not recorded) don't know how I'm going to get round this one tho.. :-S :-S

I was just pointing out that if your Mary isn't the one whose baptism you found, she may have been baptised in a church whose records aren't on line.

Not sure what that means Potty?? :-(

The pre-1855 births/baptisms on Scotlandspeople are taken from the old Parish Records of the Church of Scotland. There were other churches whose records may not be included.

Mmm the passenger list for New York wouldn't have been them!! they would have been going to Boston where their sons were (or at least Charles, since there is no sign of William and Mary Edgar) I wonder if there would have been a company policy imposed that you had to be no older than (such an age, say 70) to travel, it would have taken some time to travel by ship from Scotland to Boston, and ships company wouldn't want to be responsible for any death on board..

Were getting there tho Argyllgran, I'm really happy with how much information you have managed to find. Wouldn't have done it without your help...Am I buttering you up too much ;-)

Just got home from work Argyllgran, thanks! I am beginning to wonder if my Mary Mckie WAS the daughter of Charles and Ann Bold, there were other siblings Susanna (Susan) and Charles b1811. The deaths for Mary Mackie and Charles Hughes is definitely them, but its the parents of Mary which has thrown me. I'm wondering what happened to the other brother William Mcreadie Hughes who was on the same ship as Charles b1847. It would appear from all the information that Charles Hughes snr and wife Mary Mackie Hughes were living near the son Charles. :-)

This will be the birth you were told about. Maybe whoever told you just thought it must be her because the date and place matched the census??

03/01/1806 MCKIE MARY ANN CHARLES MCKIE/ANN BOLD FR200 (FR200) F PENNINGHAME /WIGTOWN 895/00 0010 0368

But there was no legal requirement to register births at that time, so maybe hers wasn't.
There were quite a few Mary McKie (and variation of spelling) registered in various places in Wigtowhnshire around that time, but none with parents David and Mary.

Also no marriage anywhere in Scotland 1780-1810 between a David McKie (or variation) and a Mary Stewart

Nor between a Charles McKie (or variation) and an Ann (or variation) of any surname.

Boston, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1954
about Mary Hughes
Name:
Mary Hughes
Gender:
Female
Ethnic Background:
Scottish (Scotish)
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1818
Age:
65
Port of Departure:
Glasgow, Scotland and Londonderry and Galway and Black Sod Bay, Ireland
Ship Name:
Prussian
Arrival Date:
23 May 1883
Port of Arrival:
Boston, Massachusetts

Yes, Jas is short for James - I thought maybe a clerk had misheard! Maybe somone dictated "Chas" from some document, and it was heard as "Jas"?!

I suppose that other passenger record you found (below, for ref) might be them. Maybe they were too old to be allowed to emigrate, so had to claim to be younger. (I think you suggested that back towards the start of this thread.)
And this Charles is a farmer, which is OK - he was a farm worker most of his life.

Boston, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1954
about Chas Hughes
Name:
Chas Hughes
Gender:
Male
Ethnic Background:
Scottish (Scotish)
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1815
Age:
68
Port of Departure:
Glasgow, Scotland and Londonderry and Galway and Black Sod Bay, Ireland
Ship Name:
Prussian
Arrival Date:
23 May 1883
Port of Arrival:
Boston, Massachusetts

I seen that street on a directory in Somerville where it lists Chas jnr "blacksmith" wow great stuff, but I'm late for work now.. Will need to have a good look tomorrow.. Thanks Argyllgran, you have been amazing..... <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Get away!! I must be looking at the wrong bit...

Ages sound about right, but is Jas not short for James?? I did see a passenger list for 1883 for Chas Hughes aged 68 and wife Mary aged 65 heading for Boston Massachusetts on the Prussion arriving 23 May and wondered if they could have knocked off 10 years.. Is that possible ?

On Mary McKie Hughes's death record above, it says "widow of Charles" above her name.

Also, the address is 49 Glen Street, and Charles's death record says "Som, Glen", meaning Glen Street in Somerville.

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New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Mary Hughes
Name:
Mary Hughes
Arrival Date:
12 Dec 1882
Birth Date:abt 1810
Age:
72
Gender:
Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality:
English
Place of Origin:
England
Port of Departure:
Bremen, Germany
Destination:
United States of America
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:
Salier



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New York Port, Ship Images, 1851-1891
about Jas Hughes
Name:
Jas Hughes
Arrival Date:
12 Dec 1882
Age:
75
Gender:
Male
Port of Departure:
Bremen, Germany
Ship route:
Bremen-Southampton-NY; Bremen-South America; Bremen-Australia
Port of Arrival:
New York, United States
Ship Name:
Salier
Ship built:
1875
Shipping Line:
North German Lloyd
Ship tonnage:
3,098 tons; 354' x 39'
Ship Description:
2 masts, 1 funnel

I did see this one for Mary Mackie Hughes, but according to the information I have her parents were Charles Mckie and Ann Bold or Boal. I did wonder, but on a closer look it states she was a widow of ??couldn't quiet make out the name but it definitely wasn't a Charles. She must be there, he never went on his own?? :-S

Massachusetts, Death Records, 1841-1915
about Mary Mackie Hughes
Name:
Mary Mackie Hughes
Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
abt 1806
Birth Place:
Scotland
Death Date:
25 May 1895
Death Place:
Somerville, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Death:
89
Father:
David
Mother:
Mary Stewart

For our ref:


Massachusetts, Death Records, 1841-1915
about Charles Hughes
Name:
Charles Hughes
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
abt 1806
Birth Place:
Scotland
Death Date:
24 Sep 1887
Death Place:
Somerville, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Death:
81
Father:
Charles
Mother:
Margaret


There's no sign on ScotlandsPeople of a Charles Hughes(or spelling variation) born Wigtownshire 1801-10, either with or without parents named Charles and Margaret.

However, I should think it's him - it's too much of a coincidence that there would be another Charles Hughes from Scotland, a gardener, of the right age, in the right town , and dying at the right rime to match with the info on his daughter's death cert.