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hi all yes DEF 2 Jeremiahs and they were cousins, it is confusing from the census' info to work them out but def 2. I'm still wondering if naughty Jeremiah was transported which is why his death is not listed? Apologies i was out all day yesterday and have only just got to logging on, will check all the posts and reply etc THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH for all the help xxxxxxx

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1287537

(in case anything from above relates)

Chris :)

His fathers second marriage?



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:Henry York <<Widower

Spouse Name:Sarah Davies

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:14 Apr 1835

Parish:St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough:Camden
Register Type:Parish Register

Deleted...hadn't spotted the date which was far too late!

1841 England Census

Name:Jermiah York

Age:13

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1828

Gender:Male

Where born:Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St Leonard Shoreditch

Hundred:Ossulstone (Tower Division)

County/Island:Middlesex
Registration District:Shoreditch
Sub-registration District:St Leonard

Piece:709
Book:5
Folio:4
Page Number:1

Household Members:
Name

Jermiah York 13
Henry York 4
Julia York 6 Mo
Cranris Groves 60

Also
Henry York 35yrs Wadding Maker
Sarah York
Anna
Frances



So this looks like our guy

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:Jeremiah York

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:20 Jun 1830

Father's Name:Henry York <<Wadding Maker

Mother's Name:Elizabeth York

Parish or Poor Law Union:Lambeth St Mary

Borough:Lambeth

Register Type:Parish Registers


.......and then there is this guy. So there is another Jer* born about the same time



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:Jeremiah York

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:24 Aug 1823

Father's Name:William York <<Weaver

Mother's Name:Ann York

Parish or Poor Law Union:Lewisham St Mary

Borough:Lewisham

Register Type:Parish Registers

But there are two census records for 1851 one with Caroline and one with Ann.
Not forgetting the other one in prison in 1851

Maryb.

There is something not right about all this!

There is only one death in Eng/Wales (1861 - 1940) for a man with his name and that's in Reading in 1879

I've traced him back on the censuses to it's not 'our' man

I'm still thinking Jer* was a naughty boy and had two families....of course, I could be way off beam :-S

Mary, it's a good idea, re the marriages, but it's actually the same Jeremiah - the one that married Ann Turner.

Marriages Mar 1850
York Jeremiah Shoreditch 2 300
York Jeremiah Shoreditch 20 300 <<<<<<<

Someone has transcribed the volume number as 20 instead of 2, and 20 is the registration volume for Lancashire:

GRO INDEXES REGISTRATION DISTRICTS

1837-1851 (Roman numerals)

Ref.No. Registration District

II London & Middlesex

XX Lancashire

Edit: on the scan of the index, the volume number for Jeremiah York's entry is ii but without the dots, and the entry above has vol number xx. Did the second transcriber misread the roman numerals ii for a ditto mark, for xx in the entry above?

1851 West Ham
Jeremiah York born @ 1825 Lewisham kent a prisoner!!

1851 Bethnal green
Jeremiah @ 1823 Lewisham a wadding traveller
Caroline wife

1851
Jeremiah York born @ 1829 Lambeth a wadding Manufacturer and wife Ann
same page as Henry York age 48 a wadding manufacturer.

Maybe your Jeremiah was not the convict at all.

2 marriages for 2 Jeremiahs in Shoreditch
One to Ann turner (Yours)
Another to maybe Caroline but when you view it there are 10 people on the same page,only Jeremiah York is in Shoreditch Page 300 the rest are in Lancashire.
So now we have to find a Caroline marrying J/F/M 1850 in Shoreditch

Maryb.

The job of marine fireman in the 19th century would have been arduous to say the least.He was probably classed as casual labour and employed on a voyage basis,being discharged at the end of each voyage.
He may have had to pay for food(Victuals) on board unless provided by the ship owner."Sufficient without waste" was the terminology used.
Working watches(4 to 6 hrs) under the charge of an engineer.
Duties included:-
Maintaing steam pressure as required by "Stoking" the boiler(s)with coal,raking out ashes and disposing of same(by hauling up to the deck and dumping at sea(Ash ejectors were fitted to some ships but it was not the norm)
"Trimming" the coal bunkers to ensure supply to the fireroom("Stokehold") and to maintain stability of the ship.
Certainly he would not have suffered from obesity.
Payment varied but was always low and he probably had to supply his own bedding(maybe a straw matress "Donkeys breakfast")

From the following thread:

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=493&p=topics.occupations.occupations

For Gins:

Same 1871 record on FMP - definitely widow

Address: Old Nichol St, Bethnal Green County: London, Middlesex

YORK, Caroline F 41 1830 Surrey Horsley Down charwoman
YORK, Ann Daughter F 18 1853 Middlesex Shoreditch Box maker
YORK, Sarah Daughter F 13 1858 Middlesex Shoreditch
YORK, Caroline Daughter F 8 1863 Middlesex Shoreditch
YORK, Jessie Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex Spitalfields

EDIT: But didn't Helen say earlier that Jeremiah with Caroline was cousin to her Jeremiah?

This is Caroline in 71, can someone check her status, I think it says widow???



1871 England Census

Name:Caroline Tork

Age:41

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1830

Gender:Female

Where born:Horsleydown

Civil Parish:Bethnal Green

Ecclesiastical parish:St Phillip

County/Island:London

Registration District:Bethnal Green

Sub-registration District:Hackney Road

ED, institution, or vessel:1
Household Schedule Number:207
Piece:474
Folio:18
Page Number:29



Name

George Asher 42
Margaret Asher 36
John Asher 17
Timothy Lewry 50
Caroline Tork 41
Ann Tork 18
Sarah Tork 13
Caroline Tork 8
Jessie Tork 4
Mary 56
William 23





Deaths Dec 1871
--------------------------------------------------
York Caroline 41 Bethnal Green 1c 166

Are these Jer* children too? I note from Jer* marriage record that he is listed as a 'Wadding Manufacturer'



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:Ann Meridith York

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:27 Feb 1853

Father's Name:Jeremiah York <<<Wadding Maker

Mother's Name:Ann York

Parish or Poor Law Union:Shoreditch St Leonard

Borough:Hackney

Register Type:Parish Registers




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:Ann Meredith York

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1852

Age:20

Spouse Name:Richard Drain

Spouse Age:19

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:5 Aug 1872

Parish:Bethnal Green St Thomas

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:Jeremiah York <<Wadding Maker

Spouse Father Name:George Drain

Register Type:Parish Register




London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:William York

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:9 Nov 1851

Father's Name:Jeremiah York Wadding Maker

Mother's Name:Ann York

Parish or Poor Law Union:Shoreditch St Leonard

Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers





London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:William York Paper Stainer

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1851

Age:21

Spouse Name:Harriet Griffiths

Spouse Age:18

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:17 Jun 1872

Parish:Bethnal Green St Thomas

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:Jermiah York Wadding Maker

Spouse Father Name:James Griffiths

Register Type:Parish Register



The 1861 census has the two children (above) listed with a Jer* (Hannah on the transcription!) & Caroline York, cant make out his occupation?

Was just wondering if Jer* had more than one family?

Just checked for a marriage between Caroline & Jer*, can't find one

Probate of David Thomas Wallineer to daughter Lizzie(Elizabeth Wallineer) Bodfield husband of George Henry Bodfield.

Maryb.

ancestry back for now
another sibling annie b1891 she is with wallineer rels in rotherhithe listed as niece and with her is joseph wallineer aged 5 nephew i think this is the missing George york age 5?? that would mean grandad and granny took the older 2 and auntie and uncle took the younger 2.

oh OK looks like it is wrong then. looks like David dies in 1912 but i can't view ancestry to see who he left a will/probate to :-(
George york b1895 st Olave so another brother........... not dad

A tree on Ancestry said she died 1901.

Maryb.

re george snr being a fishmonger would that have something to do with father in law being a waterman?

looks like ancestry playing up again grrrrrr but that george is listed as 15 !!!!!!!!!! so looks like another brother............. womder where he was on the 1901????