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Thank you. I will have a look.

John Humphries married Sarh White, now I think this is her sisters marriage ( Eliza's mother),


Name: Eliza White
Spouse Name: Henry Burling
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jun 1834
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses are George White and Sarah White,


1851 England Census about Eliza Burling
Name: Eliza Burling
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Disability:

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Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 34a
Piece: 1540
Folio: 285
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Burling 33
Eliza Burling 2
Eliza Hicks 23

This death is in an interesting place,


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1838 (>99%)
Burling Henry Wst Ham 12 218



Even if he had died and mother didn't remarry she could use his name on the birth registration for another mans child.

Thanks , so do you think that the spelling of Burling as Berling twice is a double spelling mistake, should I record the mother Eliza White as her mother in my tree?

Ah the death is isn't it....... he is on the marriage cert as Harry , I know that harry/Henry are same, but does not say deceased as is usual

Hi Christine,

We really need to confirm the birth of Eliza jnr first, I think this is her registration of birth, hopefully it will state her mothers maiden name?


Name: Eliza Burling
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1848
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 323


It was so common that names were spelt slightly differently, and I would think that it started as Burling and then just changed over a period of time due to accents and us mere common folk not being able to read and write back then.

Marriage certificates could easily be fudged and so often the father is listed on there and his death isn't noted...... What's even worse is when they state their father is deceased and he's not!!! The joys of the game.. tee hee. :-D

Hi just realised that I have the birth cert(it as a good few years ago, when I got it) and it shows Henry occ a' Lath' something or other(unreadable) but giving impression he is alive like the marriage cert. mother Eliza formerly White.

Hmmmm this is getting more interesting, just found a cert that I didn't know I had, a birth cert for my Great Grandfather Frederick James/Lucas, his mother is down as Ann Lucas formerly Taylor, the Ann Taylor that married James Luckhurst......... 1 year before. and the same Frederick that married Eliza Burling/Berling in the name of Gorham. what on earth did James do to be acting so furtive?????

So it ties in nicely then, on the marriage certificate I thought it said Lathe ????? But wasn't sure. If Henry had died prior to her birth then having a name to use for her father would be an advantage, well why be an illegitimate child if you didn't have to be and Henry couldn't argue because he most probably wasn't alive. Just my theory. :-D

James really seems to be dodging about with his surname, I would imagine they would ALL be family names as they are quite unusual... certainly not Smiths or something as popular. More and more parish records are becoming available on line, so fingers crossed it will only be a matter of time before your queries and frustrations are answered.

Thank you so much for all your help and advice.

Did he have middle initial T as on son's Frederick James Gorham's marriage in 1866 it says J T Gorham.

Maryb

IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY IF YOURS BUT MAYBE WHY NAME CHANGE
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about James Luckhurst
Name: James Luckhurst
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Date of Trial: 27 Jun 1848
Trial Year: 1848
Location of Trial: Kent, England
Sentence: Acquittal
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

CHRISTINE IS THIS YOU
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-67461.html?s=817a91c5adc0b3c8fc88bd141ae56812

Just a thought but although Luckhurst and Lucas look very different written down they can sound very similar when you say them.

Apparently Luckhurst is a variation of Lucas.

Maryb.

Very strange family some of his children stayed as lucas and others as Gorham

Isabella Sarah Lucas married William Harvey 1883 dad James Lucas one witness was Minnie Lucas.

Minnie Hannah Lucas married Thomas Aldous 1886 witness James Lucas.

Horace Taylor Lucas married 14/6/1880 Mary Ann Bradley,he is down as Harris Lucas in 1891

Walter George Gorham married Rose Tollhurst. 1890 in kent.George Frederick you have.

Death for Ann Gorham ?? J/A/S 1874 in Poplar.
Can't find James Lucas/Gorman in 1881.

Maryb.

He remarried a Jane and has a stepson who I think takes the Gorham name too. they really are a strange lot. The link to Genealogy forum above from Dizzi made interesting reading.

This is a transcription from FMP. I wonder if there's an original copy to see anywhere. The name Pookhurst could possibly be a mistransciption of Luckhurst.

Transcription page details
Baptism Day:3
Baptism Month:Jul
Baptism Year:1827
Forename(s):James
Surname:Pookhurst
Father's Forename:
Mother's Forename:Mary An
Notes:Singlewoman
Place:Lenham
County:Kent
Record source:Kent Baptisms