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The four Buckley children Henry, Richard, Catherine and Ellen were living at the South Metropolitan District School in Sutton in census 1881, when Elizabeth was living over the brush with Henry Harling.

Oh Kucinta how stupid am I?? Of course it was son Charles that was the one missing not Henry...doh me! I must have been all excited and didn't check 1st.

It was nice to know though that her Children must have still cared for her even though she sent some to the Childrens home in Sutton Surry.
Thinking about that, maybe when Henry Harling died she might have applied to enter the workhouse and maybe it was suggested that the Children would be better off going to Sutton instead.
I checked to see how those Buckley Children got on in life and they all lived happy ever after so to speak. One Son married a girl he had met in the same home, went on to have Children....nice ending.

EDITED
Actually it was Henry Alfred that met his Wife Louisa in the Childrens home. Just double checked lol

Here endeth a really nice thread x

Henry Alfred Buckley and family in 1911:

Reg. District: Greenwich
Sub District: Deptford North
Parish: St Paul Deptford
Enum. District: 18

Address: 8 Knoyle Street New X SE
County: London

BUCKLEY, Henry Head Married M 43 1868 Engineers Labourer Kent Greenwich
BUCKLEY, Louisa Wife Married 5 years F 38 1873 Surrey Camberwell
BUCKLEY, Henry Son M 4 1907 Kent Deptford
BUCKLEY, Albert Son M 3 1908 Kent Deptford
BUCKLEY, Kathleen Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Kent Deptford

Henry Alfred's marriage:

Name: Henry Alfred Buckley - labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 37
Spouse Name: Louisa Foster
Spouse Age: 53
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Apr 1905
Parish: Hatcham St Catherine
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Henry Alfred Buckley - hammerman deceased
Spouse Father Name: Charles Foster printer deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

Father is described as a deceased hammerman

One witness is John Henry Shanly, who has shown up in previous Buckley marriage earlier in this thread.

Henry's death?

Name: Henry A Buckley
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Mar 1952
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 301

I think this might be Henry, though not at Lucas Street. It's young Charles Harling I'd like to locate:

Census 1891:

Address: 624, Beaumont Terrace, Charlton Next Woolwich, Charlton
County: London

TUWEY, Herbert Head Married M 28 1863 Butchers Assistant
Cheddington, Buckinghamshire
TUWEY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 27 1864 Greenwich, Kent
TUWEY, Herbert Son Single M 3 1888 Woodgreen, Middlesex
TUWEY, Adah Daughter F 0 (9M) 1891 Charlton, Kent
BUCKLEY, Henry Lodger Single M 23 1868 Shoemaker Greenwich, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PEVY, Nellie Visitor Single F 12 1879 Wingrave, Buckinghamshire

Henry was still boarding with the same family in 1901, this time at 6 Rectory Grove, and he was working as a labourer in a gun/armament factory. The family's name looks like Turvey on both census images.

Hi everyone.
Welcom back from your Hols Potty. Hope you had a nice time.

I couldn't resist sending for Elizabeth Buckleys death cert. It arrived this morning.

Aged 55 died 4th Dec 1893. Wife of Henry Alfred Buckley a Hammerman.
Right Paralysis and Diarrhoea. Malignant disease of the stomach.
Her address 2, Queen Street.

Now heres a turn up for the books......
Informant in attendance....H.A. Buckley...SON!!
Is this the lost Henry we couldn't find?
His address is 82 Lucas Street, Deptford.

:-D

Hi Mrs BB & Kucinta

What a result! Great! Poor Henry, though. In the workhouse infirmary for 30+ years and his wife goes off with another man!

Mrs BB, you will have to do what Kucinta and I do - help others with their brick walls!

Now, I have got a Harry Postans in 1891 living with his aunt, Eliza Livesey and then he disappears. Oh, and not birth to be found!

Potty found the marriage of Ellen Eliza to cousin Percy earlier in the thread - if I remember rightly it's what helped her identify the mistranscribed Buckley family in the 1871 census.

Percy was the son of Elizabeth Buckley nee Marstin's sister Eliza Jane. If you remember, Eliza Jane Marstin's husband was John Thomas Marstin - now have
we worked out the possible blood connection between John Thomas Marstin and his wife and her sister yet???

EDIT: or did the Ancestry tree take care of that?

SIL is very lucky to have you as her research assistant :-D

Because im bored I thought id look see what happened to Ellen Eliza Buckley.
Theres a nice twist at the end...

Ellen Eliza Buckley Married Percy Marstin (Cousin?) 1894. They had 2 Children...
Alfred John Marstin b1896 and Nellie Marstin b1899.

Nellie Marstin Married Alfred Henry Harris 25th December 1920 and had a Daughter in 1923 and named her Nellie ADA Harris. So this looks like OUR Ada was never forgotten.......awwww isn't that nice?

Best of all I have photos of Nellie Marstin/Harris, Alfred Henry Harris and Nellie Ada Harris! All found on another members Ancestry tree.

All now passed on to SIL :-D

What to do now?..... :-|
Finish decorating :-(

Kucinta

I PMd my mobile number to Potty before she went. She will tx me whenever.

Thanks for info on how you would enter Ada. I will copy n paste what you put and forward to SIL...me lazy? :-0.....yeah lol

That's brill!

And a salutary lesson for your SIL about not blindly following trees she finds on the internet. ;-)

Has she been able to take it all in?

Re the describing Ada Buckley/Harling issue on trees, I think it's probably down to the tree compiler.

If it were me, I'd be tempted to go with Buckley as that's the name she used most, pre-marriage, but obviously with Henry Harling as her father. Then follow the Harling line for Ada's paternal ancestry...

Notes can be added to explain the birth registration under Harling, but the use of Buckley as her maiden surname thereafter.

Will you pm Potty with the details of the certs so she can catch up when she gets back?

I'll miss this thread too! :-(

Both certs arrived this morning and hey presto!

Birth of Ellen Eliza Buckley
27/08/1869
Henry Buckley and Elizabeth Marstine/Marstin<<<the 'e' is a tall squiggle.
1, East Lane, Greenwich.

Death of Henry Buckley
13/11/1916
Aged 82.
Occupation - of Greenwich union, Labourer.
Address at death....Belmont workhouse Infirmary.
Cause of death...(1) Chronic Bronchitis. (2) Heart Failure.
Signature of informant..B.Nolan Acting master.

So we were right! he was very poorly. Must have suffered with Bronchitis for years.
maybe all his life but he got to a right good age!
I know how bad that is as I suffered with that for my 1st 7 years. Born with it.

Well! we started looking in Scotland and ended up in Sutton Surry lol WELL DONE everyone and many thanks x

Geraldine aka Mrs BB :-D

ps...I enjoyed this thread and don't know what to do now lol

If Ada Harling/Buckley....Ada Buckley/Harling was yours how would you record her on your Canadian Ancestry tree?

Confused dot com :-S

So glad your still here Potty. Have a great Holiday.

Kay???? Re...
Outgoing passengers,@FMP.

Ada YOB 1883,
James YOB 1881,
Jas W,(James?) YOB1867.?
Joseph YOB 1880.
W.H -Adult.

Ada went out on the ship Sardinian in 1895. Just a guess but if those other Buckleys were born ooop norff I doubt they belong to our Ada.
I originally thought you meant they were on the same ship same year! but after checking they were not.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of Ada's other siblings/half siblings were sent away too....but hey that's another story for another time maybe.....
Thanks for your input though Kay.

Mrs BB x

Great! :-D Let's hope the other certs confirm what we think!

Yay!!!!!!!!!

:-D

It's here! Do hope Potty hasn't left yet...

Ada Edith HARLING
DOB16th December 1881
Mother..Elizabeth Harling formerly BUCKLEY
Father..Henry HARLING..occ..Labourer.
Both of 22,Foxberry Grove
Reg. 26th Jan.

So well done folks! Looks like we will have to wait for the other birth cert now to see what Elizabeths Maiden name was.
I feel sorry for Mr Postie lol.

x

MrsBB,

my father could never remember if he was one of 13 or had 13 brothers and sisters - it was the second, My grandmother had 14 children and all but two survived to adulthood. She was 49 when the last was born. In 1911 nine of them plus my grandparents were living in 3 rooms! Don't think she had heard of contraception!

Drat! I shall be away when those certs arrive. Hopefully, we will be able to get a wifi connection somewhere so I can check in.

Picture change...Now see my Grandson with his Sister...see the likeness to Walter Tyrie? Walter in pic is aged 19...Grandson is aged 22.

Thanks Kay???? Will look tomorrow. Got an early start in the morning.

Outgoing passengers,@FMP.

Ada YOB 1883,
James YOB 1881,
Jas W,(James?) YOB1867.?
Joseph YOB 1880.
W.H -Adult.

YOBs can be about then.

Births for all these can be found in and around the YOB but all in the North West,!