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Nice "thank you" rec'd from Colin.

Colin, it's lucky that Alice's marriage was on Ancestry so Maureen could send you the copy.

But, as a check you could have looked for a marriage on FreeBMD which would have given you a starter

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Hi Colin,

I wondered!!

I've pmed you a copy pf the marriage cert. (I Hope.)

Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 about Alice Pastora Maryan
Name: Alice Pastora(Pretoria) Maryan
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1901
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1927
Archive Provided Parish: Surbiton Hill, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Surbiton Hill, Christ Church
Spouse:
Albert Wiles (MILES)
Spouse Age: 27
Father: Richard Maryan
Spouse Father: Arthur Wiles (MILES)
Reference Number: 2741/1/9

Maureen

Hi Maureen. sorry but i got the name wrong. the right name is Alice Maryan. I am not sure of her date of birth, her Father was Richard Maryan and Mother Elizabeth Scott,she was born in London. I believe her date of birth could be 1901. I would like to know if she married and the name of her husband, sorry i gave you the wrong details. and thank you for your trouble. Colin.

Hi Colin,

Where was Ellen born and who were her parents? The only one I see was born in Hailsham and I think marries:
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Ellen Maryan
Name: Ellen Maryan
Spouse Surname: Sparrow (William C)
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Eastbourne
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 160

Maureen

I would like to find the family of my Aunt Ellen Maryan, she was born in 1890 and i would like to know if she married, Colin

I have a copy of my mothers marriage to my father, the marriage took place on january 9th 1918, Louisa Elizabeth Scott spinster to Richard Robert Maryan
Bachelor, her Father was Thomas George Scott Hotel Porter, Louisa was married at age 25 and Richard married age33. the marriage was witnessed by her Father Thomas George Scott, and Alice Maryan. It took place at Christ Church Southwark, So it does seem that my Mother`s maiden name was Scott. C.olin

Thank you for all the help everyone, it has given me a bigger insight to my mother`s family, she never told me that she had a half Sister, i can work on that to get further back. thank you Colin.

I almost feel as though I've skipped a page in this book.

:-S :-) :-) :-)

Hello Colin, it would have been useful if you had mentioned that Webb connection at the outset.

I think your next step should be to order a copy of that 1909 marriage for Thomas George Scott to Elizabeth Webb and hope that it is your couple. There are quite a few Elizabeth Webbs around so the certificate may give info as to who her father was.

What about all of the other information posted? Was it of use to you? Were you already aware of this information? Did your mother ever mention half sisters?

EDIT: There's always the chance, given Elizabeth's age, that she had previously been married so Webb would not be her maiden name.

My Mother was Louisa Elizabeth Scott, she often spoke about the Webb name so I guess she was born with that name. I suppose now that I should research that name.

Looks like Louisa had another half sister:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Minnie Florence Scott, of 23 Hertford Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Robert Fisker - Bookbinder of 111 Grt Cambridge Street
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Dec 1900
Parish: Hoxton St Andrew
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: George Thomas Scott - Mantel Cutter (Thomas George on image)
Spouse Father Name: Henry Fisker - Home Decorator
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married.

Witnesses: Thomas George Scott; Ada Charlotte Harrison; Alice Maud Scott

Quite possibly the death of Thomas G's first wife:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Susan Scott
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1880
Age at Death: 29
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 196

(He's shown as widowed on the 1881)

Baptism of Louisa Elizabeth's half sister:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Alice Maude Scott
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1879
Father's Name: Thomas George Scott - Costumer
Mother's Name: Susan Scott
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St James
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Abode: 19 Parfitt Road, Rotherhithe.

Looks like the marriage of his daughter from his first marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Alice Maud Scott
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 23
Spouse Name: William Alliband - Gas Fitter
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1902
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Thomas George Scott - Shirt Cutter
Spouse Father Name: Charles Alliband - Brewery Foreman
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married. Both give address as 113 St Cambridge Street.

Witnesses: Charles William Alliband and Florence Elderkin.

Interesting Maureen!

If it was them married 1909 then I guess they mightn't have wanted to say married 2 years on the 1911 when they had an 18 year old daughter.

I think it may be well worth Colin taking a punt on that marriage cert to see if that Thomas George is some sort of cutter. Shame there's no parish record to be found for it.

You really wonder if she finally talked him into it:
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
LOCKETT John Patrick Southwark 1d 251
SCOTT Thomas George Southwark 1d 251
WALKER Emily Southwark 1d 251
WEBB Elizabeth Southwark 1d 251

I think John Lockett married Emily.


Probably a red herring but there IS a birth fot a Louisa Elizabeth WEBB in Hackney in 1892.

I don't know!!!!!!!

Maureen

EDIT: Long overdue.....fot????? for

This appears to be Thomas George's first marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Thomas George Scott - Costume cutter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Susannah Pickford
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jun 1875
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Scott - Master Mariner
Spouse Father Name: James Pickford - Fishmonger
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married. Both give address as 23 Bedford Square

Witnesses: James Pickford and Elizabeth Pickford.

On the 1911 census it says that Thomas George and Elizabeth were married 26 years, that appears to be a fabrication. That marriage would have been around 1885 and clearly Thomas is a widower without a wife around in 1891 and 1901.

The 26 years may relate just to him and would be how long he'd been married if his wife was still alive. EDIT: Or it may refer to how long they'd been in a relationship although not living together.

Although Louisa was baptised in the name of Scott (some 6 years after her birth) I suspect her birth was registered in her mother's maiden name and until we find out what that is we can't find out anything further about Elizabeth.

Curiouser still in 1891:

SCOTT Thomas G Head Widower M 40 1851 Mantle Cutter Hessle, Yorkshire
SCOTT, Minnie F Daughter F 14 1877 Sewer Book Trade Stepney, London

Piece: 259 Folio: 6 Page: 5
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: 17, Durant Street, Bethnal Green County: London

(Emily A Shipman from the 1901 is next door)