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Re 1851 Hannah Riddle 1834 niece of Mary and James Plested

Mary Riddle married James Plested 1831 Chesham re Anchestry

in 1841 Mary Plested c 1804 nee Riddle, Mary Riddle c 1768 (who I think is the mother of Mary 1804) and James Plested 1838 Mary 1804's son are at Charteridge part of Chesham Bucks. All born OUT of county. We know from the 1851 that Mary 1804 was born in Flamstead Herts.

Mary Riddle was baptised at Flamstead 06/05/1804 parents Mary and William Riddle re IGI

Other children baptised Flamstead with same parents are.

James 1800 he married Ann Hewett 18/10/1840 Chesham and lived near the two Marys and little James in 1841

Jane 01/06/1806

William 04/03/1798 he was born Great Gaddesden Herts and was a straw plaiter. He married a Hannah born c 1800 St Margarets Bucks she was a straw worker and died in 1857. I thought maybe your Hannah 1834 was his daughter but cant find any proof of this. William and Hannah had Emma 1831 - Eliza 1836 - William 1838 - Silas 1840 and Isiah 1841. Your Hannah would have fitted in there and named after her mother although I think that it is more likely that her father died, whoever he was, and her mother married Reuben Saunders.

Hannah was a popular name with this family as Willian 1798 had a grand daughter Hannah 1864 and Isiah had a daughter Hannah 1877.

This is as far as I have got but I am working through the rest of the families spouses and children as I am now intriqued. I am 99% sure in my mind that Mary Riddle 1768 and William are your Hannahs grand parents, now all I have to do is proove it.

Wendy

:-(

****EDIT *** A Mary Sloper maried a William Riddle at Flamstead in 1796 re IGI

AnnCardiff, I'm new to this? Are those names potential ancestors of my old rogue Reuben?

I've no idea what the second part is but I do really value your input. I'm recording everything in a document to take along to the Bucks FHS where hopefully they can help me.

Thank you so much and apologies for my lack of understanding, I'm sure ai will get there

Graham x

Wendy, how do you do this?????

Absolutely amazing, I'm astounded that you can find this information. I'm also so very very grateful. :-D

Can't thank you enough xx

Graham

Graham I, like most of the members on here, love research and love finding the answer to a problem. We still haven't found your Hannah's mother but I think I have found her grand parents if she really was the niece as mentioned in 1851. Hannah could have been base born and she made up a fathers name for her marriage. I'll keep looking to see what else I can find.

Wendy

no idea if they are potential ancestors Graham - just put them on here in case at some time you get further back and they match up :-)

Ah, thought so Ann, thank you :-)

I can challenge the BUCKS FHS on Saturday

Kind regards, you "guys" are amazing

Graham

Hannah, Elizabeth 3 and George Riddle (spelt Riddell) were living with Edwin and Mary Dwight in 1861. Hannah was unmarried. Mary Dwight was Mary Final Eli's sister and she married Edwin Dwight in 1852. Edwin died in the workhouse in 1904 and Mary died in 1889.

The Finals, Dwights and Riddles seem to be linked somehow.

I cant find a birth registration for Elizabeth Riddle 1858 and George Riddle 1860, re 1861, born Chesham

Still no nearer finding Hannahs parents

I have tree full of Dwights from Chesham

I have tree full of Dwights from Chesham

Thanks everyone, seems you never sleep LOL :-D <3

There are two deaths for an Elizabeth Riddle, Amersham registry,

Dec 1860 3a 234

Sep 1863 3a 267

But doesn't give age at death. Elizabeth would have been 38 or 41

its quite possible that George was born pre marriage, may or may not be Eli's child


Births Mar 1861
RIDDLE George Amersham 3a 344

Penny, George was born first quarter 1861. I have a record in the Amersham Register for March qtr 1861, 3a 344, from FreeBMD


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Pretty likely that is my George

Graham

Graham I looked at that Amersham birth for George and rejected it because when the 1861 census was taken on 07/04/1861 George was said to be four months but he could have been registered a little late or he wasn't quite four months so I think you are probably right.

What about this as a possible birth for Elizabeth, daughter of Hannah.

Births Sep 1857 (>99%)
Riddle Elizabeth Jane Amersham 3a 312

The two Elizabeth deaths you found

Dec 1860 3a 234

Sep 1863 3a 267

would make Elizabeth 3 or 6 when she died. I can't find her in the 1873 census.

If this George or Elizabeth are Hannahs their birth certificates would give the father if he is named.

Hannah's mother is still bugging me but I'm not sure we will ever find her.

Wendy, amongst my scribblings (I'm learning fast to record my sources ) I have Hannah aged 16 with Eliza 19, Jane 13, all straw plaiters and a Sophia 7 living in Chesham. I think his will be The Elizabeth in the Amersham death register. It ,may be that I searched UKCENSUSONLINE and just made a note of Riddles who were straw plaiters in Chesham but not necessarily the same household.

From your earlier research William Riddle, baptised 4/3/1798 and married to Hannah (possibly Green & married 9/12/1822 Hemel Hempstead Herts- close to Chesham), had children Including Elizabeth born c 1836. There is also that gap between Elizabeth and Emma 1831. Perhaps Reuben fathered Hannah with Hannah and William refused to give the baby a home and she went to live with her aunt, Williams sister Mary? Mary didn't marry until 1840 and was presumably childless at the time.

I have done quite a bit of research working back from William Riddle 1768 and Mary Sloper should the connection with Anna ever be proved.

Thank you for continued input

Graham

PS probably of no use but I did post something on your Elwood thread x

Another thought, but no proof, is that Reuben Saunders of Dinton (currently 17 miles from Chesham) did father Hannah in 1834 before his marriage in 1836 to Anne Perridge.

Anything is possible, but I think he is the Cholesbury one which is part of Chesham and right next to Hawridge. Also in that 1851 census he is in Hendon. Can we establish if Dinton Reuben is in Dinton in 1851?

G :-(

Yes ne was in Dinton in 1851 and is always referred to a s SANDERS, so I don't think he is our man.

Think this is your Ruebens death

Name: SAUNDERS, RubenRegistration district: [?] Hendon County: MiddlesexYear of registration: 1867Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death:59 Volume no: 3A Page no: 71

In 1851 when he was a lodger it says he was married in '61 lodging somewhere else but still in Hendon it says single

There is this marriage in 1845

Civil registration event: Marriage

Name: SAUNDERS, ReubenRegistration district: [?] Hendon County: MiddlesexYear of registration: 1845Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name Not available before 1912Volume no: [?] 3 Page no: [?] 161
MarriageFinder™: [?] Reuben Saunders married one of the following people Transcript
BATEMAN, Eliza
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CORNALL, Ann
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HAWKES, Louisa
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BANKS, William
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SANDERS, William

Thank you Wendy

I'm off to Bucks Family History Society meeting tomorrow where Herts are also represented, so I'm taking all my info along,

As always, thank you so much

Graham x :-)

Original says 1867 buried 16/04/1867. Abode says Red Hill. Several entries say Red Hill, maybe a hospital or work house.

Just Googled it was. Workhouse later an institution


Name: Reuben Saunders
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1866
Burial Date: 16 Apr 1866
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hendon St Mary
Borough: Barnet
Register Type: Parish Register