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Things are starting to look better.
Staffordshire does look about right, which means that possibly neither of John's parents were Scottish

On the 1891 census for John and Mary in Glasgow, the 6yr old child looks a bit too old to stem from a 1887 marriage.
As John was a widower, I suspect she is a child from his 1st marriage.

As for trhe address on the 1865 birth record it's probably something llke Old Wynd which is like a back alley!

Edit:

Angela.... were either parent William or Elizabeth marked as deceased on their son's 1887 marriage cert?

Just had another look at the 1871 and Thos George's POB is actually Crewe, Staffordshire. There is a 6 year gap between Richard and John in that census. I am wondering if it was a second marriage for either William or Elizabeth.

We are are still singing from the same hymn sheet Potty!
Someone has been married before, and as John and Mary also had a child called Richard, I think there's more to this than meets the eye!

Where did they go after 1881?
I don't see a potential death for either William or Elizabeth in Scotland.
If they did die in Scotland, whoever signed their deaths should know if either party had been married before...

Struggling to find them before 1871 as well. Richard should be on there.

Hi, thank you again for all your help.

Glasgowlass:- both William and Elizabeth are alive on the 1887 marriage certificate

Can I apologise as I realise that I haven't given the address that John registered as residing; 88 1/2 Londin (?) St, Glasgow.

Thank you
Angela

I will take a guess at London Road?

Angela says "Mary C married John on 17/10/87 (the certificate has John as a widower) they where 21 & 18 yr respectively on the date. Mary resided at St Andrews Sq', Glasgow, John London St, Glasgow" - it's actually 7th October (had some unused credits on SP.

He is shown as a widower aged just 21 - so who was his first wife?

Reggie says "The son born in 1865 must have died.......otherwise, why would a second son of the father be given the same forename?"

I think where Angela says "they also had a son called John" she means John and Mary had a son called John....and subsequently a son called Richard who is her g/grandfather - Am I right Angela?

John's birth - the certificate definitely says Elizabeth Margaret Evans - and it looks like Occroft MS Taylor

date of marriage is June 11 1862, definitely Staffordhire but not sure what town (possibly Wednesbury though it's stretching it a bit)

wrt to John's parents at the 1887 marriage - they were not shown as deceased which doesn't necessarily mean they were actually still alive).

Jude

No record on freebmd to support the theory that the 1862 marriage was in Staffordshire...........

Hi

Yes, John & Mary had a son John then Richard a few years later.

Elizabeth is Ocrofft MS Taylor on birth certificate and Elizabeth Evans MS Taylor on marriage certificate.

On marriage certificate neither W' or E' are marked deceased however Mary's parents are both noted as such?

Thanks everyone
Angela

Hi Angela,
We I admit defeat!
Like Reggie, I couldn't find any trace of that 1862 marriage.

I still cannot tell if we are looking at the correct couple on census returns.

Something is bothering me.....
On the 1864 birth record for John William Evans, it says his father is a travelling showman?
The William Evans that we found in 1871 and 1881 was a Hawker.
How did he get to be a Boilermaker by 1887?

Looking at the Scottish records, the areas mentioned are for the most part, in the same part of the city ( now the city centre/ merchant city )
On the 1891 census for John and Mary, his POB is transcribed as Iron. I am certain it will be Tron.
I will also guess that Old Wynd is near to the current New Wynd which is just off the Trongate.
Soho Street, Argyle Street, Trongate, Old Wynd are all in this area and London Road starts not far from here
NB Argyle street is a very long road and starts at the Trongate.
Like most cities, the street numbers start at the city centre and work outwards. Therefore 13 Argyle Street must be in this vicinity

unsurprisingly, I cannot find John and Mary in 1901.

Thank you so much for all your help, the transfers and irregularities had me completely stumped. I was just assuming that after getting married and settling in Glasgow that he picked up a trade???

Through the past 3 generations (starting with my own) the family had spoken of William Evans being part of the circus; we have also been told that he came from Wales?

Again, thank you for everything you guys have given me, appreciate it. :-)

Angela

GlasgowLass...I had a look for Margaret Evans aged 6 in 1891...there were two born 1884...I plumped for the one born in Camlachie with my last credits...her father was George :-(

Richard Evans 1859 Norwich on 1861 census collection? I have tried and failed...would give us William's wife at time (which according to their marriage would not have been Elizabeth Margaret)