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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:05

To avoid confusion, i will delete the info i posted regarding Lily/Lilian born 1900.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jul 2013 11:05

1911 census

Person: CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Address: 8 Bruton Avenue Wellsway Bath


CORMACK, O Connel Sydney Head Married M 28 1883 Newsagent And Bookseller Bassingbourne Cambridge VIEW
CORMACK, Lily Wife Married5 years F 28 1883 Carlingcott Bath Som VIEW
CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Son M 3 1908 Bath Somerset VIEW
CORMACK, Winifred Cornelia Daughter F 1 1910 Bath Somerset

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
CHIVERS Lily Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view
HITCHINS Elizabeth Annie Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view
Litten William Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view


So 1900 is a long way 'out' for your grandmother's birth.and her name was actually Lily

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 14 Jul 2013 11:05

So this is the CORRECT 1911 for your father's parents:

CORMACK, O Connel Sydney Head Married M 28 1883 Newsagent And Bookseller Bassingbourne Cambridge
CORMACK, Lily Wife Married5 years F 28 1883 Carlingcott Bath Som
CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Son M 3 1908 Bath Somerset
CORMACK, Winifred Cornelia Daughter F 1 1910 Bath Somerset

RG number: RG14 Piece: 14699
Reference: RG14PN14699 RG78PN892 RD316 SD3 ED10 SN43
Registration District: Bath
Sub District: Lyncombe
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Bath

Address: 8 Bruton Avenue Wellsway Bath County: Somersetshire

No other children born.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jul 2013 11:07

Death

Name: CORMACK, Lily
Registration district: Bath
County: Somerset
Year of registration: 1962
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:80
Volume no: 7C
Page no: 61

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:08

??

1901 England Census
about Lily Chivers Name: Lily Chivers
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Camerton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Camerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Camerton and Peasedown St John the Baptist
Town: Carlingcott
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Clutton
Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 180
Piece: 2333
Folio: 57
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
George Chivers 75
Caroline Chivers 70
Lily Chivers 18


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jul 2013 11:09

1891 census

Person: CHIVERS, Lily Address: Camerton, New Town

CHIVERS, George Head Married M 62 1829 Coal Miner
Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW
CHIVERS, Caroline Wife Married F 60 1831
Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW
CHIVERS, Emily Daughter Single F 27 1864
Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW
CHIVERS, Lily Daughter F 8 1883
Camerton, Somersetshire

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:11

It seems she is possibly the illegitimate daughter of Emily???

George and Caroline are the "Grandparents" in the 1901 census.

??

1891 England Census
about Lily Chivers Name: Lily Chivers
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Chivers
Mother's Name: Caroline Chivers
Gender: Female
Where born: Camerton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Camerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Peasedown St Johh
Town: New Town
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Clutton
Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1928
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
George Chivers 62
Caroline Chivers 60
Emily Chivers 27
Lily Chivers 8



1861 England Census
about George Chivers Name: George Chivers
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Chivers
Gender: Male
Where born: Rilmersson, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Camerton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Clutton
Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 1680
Folio: 109
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
George Chivers 32
Caroline Chivers 31
Chivers 7
William Chivers 5
Elizabeth Ann Chivers 3
Hester Chivers 3 Months


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about George Chivers Name: George Chivers
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852
Registration District: Clutton
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1000
Records on Page: Name

Caroline Maggs








ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jul 2013 11:11

1871 census


Person: CHIVERS, Caroline Address: Ashgrove House, Camerton

CHIVERS, George Head M 43 1828 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, Caroline Wife F 42 1829 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, William Son M 15 1856 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1858 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, Hester Daughter F 10 1861 Somerset VIEW******************
CHIVERS, Emily Daughter F 7 1864 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, Sarah A Daughter F 3 1868 Somerset VIEW
CHIVERS, Sidney Son M 1 1870 Somerset

Clare

Clare Report 14 Jul 2013 11:11

All

Thank you very much for the info so far - it's been very helpful and I feel sure we are getting there. I need to speak to my father to get his mother's date and place of death etc so will be back in a day or so. thanks again.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jul 2013 11:13

I have deleted all the irrelevant info I posted re 'Lilian'

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 14 Jul 2013 11:13

If relevant

Name: O'Connell Sidney Cormack
Probate Date: 7 Sep 1942
Death Date: 26 Apr 1942
Death Place: Bath
Registry: Bristol


1 Beechen Cliff Villas, Bath.
Probate to Lily Cormack, widow, and Henry James Gilbert Malin, fruit merchant.
Effects £5777 1s 6d

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 14 Jul 2013 11:17

I wonder if Lily is Emily's daughter then. I think Emily might have married a Joseph Hester - maybe this is where the Hester name comes from?? But you need some paper evidence to support any of this - especially as there are 2 Emily's;

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Chivers Lily Clutton 5c 573


Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Chivers Emily Bath 5c 1053
Hester Joseph Edward Bath 5c 1053
Hole Elizabeth Bath 5c 1053
Windsor George Bath 5c 1053
Wolfe Emily Bath 5c 1053


1901 England Census
Name: Emily Hester
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Hester
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath

Civil Parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration District: Barnet
Sub-registration District: Finchley

Joseph Hester 34
Emily Hester 33
William Hester 8
May Hester 6

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:23

1881 England Census
about Hester Chivers Name: Hester Chivers
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Bower Chalk
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: Quidham St Farm
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Domestic Serv

Registration District: Wilton
Sub-registration District: Bishopstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2075
Folio: 92
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Harding 71
Mary Ann Harding 69
John Harding 26
Sarah Heath 65
St.Clair Lumsden 21
Sarah Bowles 76
Hester Chivers 20 >>>>>>
Jane Simpkins 18
Simon Watkins 84


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:27

Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
Chivers Hester Clutton 5c 825
EVANS Arthur Henry Clutton 5c 825


1891 England Census
about Hester Evans Name: Hester Evans
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Arthur H Evans
Gender: Female
Where born: Paulton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Cheddar
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheddar
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Axbridge
Sub-registration District: Axbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1922
Folio: 27
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Evans 38
Hester Evans 34
Elsie M Evans 5
Frederick E Evans 3
Sidney J Evans 8/12



1901 England Census
about Hester Evans Name: Hester Evans
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Arthur H Evans
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheddar, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Cheddar
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheddar
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Axbridge
Sub-registration District: Axbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 76
Piece: 2327
Folio: 27
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Evans 47 (Mason..Stone)
Hester Evans 45
Elsie M Evans 15
Frederick E Evans 13
Sidney O Evans 10 ....Middle initial "J" on the image
Amy M Evans 6
Frederick Green 45





MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 14 Jul 2013 11:33

Personally, I believe that Hester is Lily's mother - not Emily.

Hester married Arthur Evans as shown, and between 1901 and 1911 she became Hester Withy (per the 1911)

Obviously, Lily's 1882 birth cert will tell the truth.

EDIT 15/07/2013 @ 21:13
The Hester who married Arthur Evans is a different person - see page 3.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:34

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: EVANS, Esther
Address: The Barrows Cheddar Somerset

EVANS, Arthur Henry Head Married M 58 1853 Mason Stone Cheddar VIEW
EVANS, Esther Wife Married1 years F 55 1856 House Duties Cheddar VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 14557
Reference: RG14PN14557 RG78PN882 RD314 SD1 ED10 SN58
Registration District: Axbridge
Sub District: Axbridge
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Cheddar
Address: The Barrows Cheddar Somerset
County: Somersetshire


No.........this one can't be right. It states married 1 year no children.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 14 Jul 2013 11:41

My theory of Hester Chivers/Evans becoming Withy is out the window!

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Hester Evans
Probate Date: 22 Apr 1907
Death Date: 28 Jan 1907
Death Place: Somerset, England
Registry: Wells

Wife of Arthur Henry Evans. Admin to Elsie Mabel Evans, spinster. Effects £120 5s

EDIT: - just seen 1911 above, spooky! :-0

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 14 Jul 2013 11:46

Could this be Henry's remarriage?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Arthur H Evans
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Registration District: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 189

Records on Page:
Name
Adelaide Carter
Arthur H Evans
Esther Isgar <<
Albert G B Slaughter

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2013 11:46

It is spooky Marie.

All the details match and it looks as if "Hester" has been altered to read "Esther"

Edit: Ooops, i think you mean't the Hester Withy Census.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 14 Jul 2013 11:52

A huge coincidence really, as per 1891:

BIRD, Charlotte Head Single F 48 1843 Hammersmith, London
BIRD, Eliza Sister Single F 45 1846 Hammersmith, London
BIRD, Rachel Sister Single F 42 1849 Hammersmith, London
BIRD, Alice Sister Single F 40 1851 Hammersmith, London
DUNN, Eliza Louisa Sister Single F 57 1834 Servant Domestic Hammersmith, London
ISGAR, Esther Servant Single F 35 1856 Servant Domestic Cheddar, Somersetshire <<<
LUSSENDEN, Helen Leonara Servant Single F 26 1865 Servant Domestic Paddington, London

Piece: 37 Folio: 3 Page: 5
Registration District: Fulham
Civil Parish: Hammersmith

Address: Oldfield House, Brook Green Road, Hammersmith County: London

Esther is still with the Birds in 1901 but age wrongly recorded as 25 instead of 45