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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:05 |
To avoid confusion, i will delete the info i posted regarding Lily/Lilian born 1900.
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ErikaH
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14 Jul 2013 11:05 |
1911 census
Person: CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Address: 8 Bruton Avenue Wellsway Bath
CORMACK, O Connel Sydney Head Married M 28 1883 Newsagent And Bookseller Bassingbourne Cambridge VIEW CORMACK, Lily Wife Married5 years F 28 1883 Carlingcott Bath Som VIEW CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Son M 3 1908 Bath Somerset VIEW CORMACK, Winifred Cornelia Daughter F 1 1910 Bath Somerset
Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%) CHIVERS Lily Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view HITCHINS Elizabeth Annie Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view Litten William Bath 5c 923 Scan available - click to view
So 1900 is a long way 'out' for your grandmother's birth.and her name was actually Lily
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2013 11:05 |
So this is the CORRECT 1911 for your father's parents:
CORMACK, O Connel Sydney Head Married M 28 1883 Newsagent And Bookseller Bassingbourne Cambridge CORMACK, Lily Wife Married5 years F 28 1883 Carlingcott Bath Som CORMACK, Clifford O Connell Son M 3 1908 Bath Somerset CORMACK, Winifred Cornelia Daughter F 1 1910 Bath Somerset
RG number: RG14 Piece: 14699 Reference: RG14PN14699 RG78PN892 RD316 SD3 ED10 SN43 Registration District: Bath Sub District: Lyncombe Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Bath
Address: 8 Bruton Avenue Wellsway Bath County: Somersetshire
No other children born.
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ErikaH
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14 Jul 2013 11:07 |
Death
Name: CORMACK, Lily Registration district: Bath County: Somerset Year of registration: 1962 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death:80 Volume no: 7C Page no: 61
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:08 |
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1901 England Census about Lily Chivers Name: Lily Chivers Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Camerton, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Camerton Ecclesiastical parish: Camerton and Peasedown St John the Baptist Town: Carlingcott County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Clutton Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 180 Piece: 2333 Folio: 57 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age George Chivers 75 Caroline Chivers 70 Lily Chivers 18
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ErikaH
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14 Jul 2013 11:09 |
1891 census
Person: CHIVERS, Lily Address: Camerton, New Town CHIVERS, George Head Married M 62 1829 Coal Miner Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW CHIVERS, Caroline Wife Married F 60 1831 Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW CHIVERS, Emily Daughter Single F 27 1864 Camerton, Somersetshire VIEW CHIVERS, Lily Daughter F 8 1883 Camerton, Somersetshire
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:11 |
It seems she is possibly the illegitimate daughter of Emily???
George and Caroline are the "Grandparents" in the 1901 census.
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1891 England Census about Lily Chivers Name: Lily Chivers Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Chivers Mother's Name: Caroline Chivers Gender: Female Where born: Camerton, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Camerton Ecclesiastical parish: Peasedown St Johh Town: New Town County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Clutton Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1928 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age George Chivers 62 Caroline Chivers 60 Emily Chivers 27 Lily Chivers 8
1861 England Census about George Chivers Name: George Chivers Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline Chivers Gender: Male Where born: Rilmersson, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Camerton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Clutton Sub-registration District: Midsomer Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 65 Piece: 1680 Folio: 109 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age George Chivers 32 Caroline Chivers 31 Chivers 7 William Chivers 5 Elizabeth Ann Chivers 3 Hester Chivers 3 Months
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about George Chivers Name: George Chivers Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Registration District: Clutton Inferred County: Somerset Volume Number: 5c Page Number: 1000 Records on Page: Name
Caroline Maggs
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ErikaH
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14 Jul 2013 11:11 |
1871 census
Person: CHIVERS, Caroline Address: Ashgrove House, Camerton
CHIVERS, George Head M 43 1828 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, Caroline Wife F 42 1829 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, William Son M 15 1856 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1858 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, Hester Daughter F 10 1861 Somerset VIEW****************** CHIVERS, Emily Daughter F 7 1864 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, Sarah A Daughter F 3 1868 Somerset VIEW CHIVERS, Sidney Son M 1 1870 Somerset
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Clare
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14 Jul 2013 11:11 |
All
Thank you very much for the info so far - it's been very helpful and I feel sure we are getting there. I need to speak to my father to get his mother's date and place of death etc so will be back in a day or so. thanks again.
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ErikaH
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14 Jul 2013 11:13 |
I have deleted all the irrelevant info I posted re 'Lilian'
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GlitterBaby
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14 Jul 2013 11:13 |
If relevant
Name: O'Connell Sidney Cormack Probate Date: 7 Sep 1942 Death Date: 26 Apr 1942 Death Place: Bath Registry: Bristol
1 Beechen Cliff Villas, Bath. Probate to Lily Cormack, widow, and Henry James Gilbert Malin, fruit merchant. Effects £5777 1s 6d
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brummiejan
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14 Jul 2013 11:17 |
I wonder if Lily is Emily's daughter then. I think Emily might have married a Joseph Hester - maybe this is where the Hester name comes from?? But you need some paper evidence to support any of this - especially as there are 2 Emily's;
Births Dec 1882 (>99%) Chivers Lily Clutton 5c 573
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%) Chivers Emily Bath 5c 1053 Hester Joseph Edward Bath 5c 1053 Hole Elizabeth Bath 5c 1053 Windsor George Bath 5c 1053 Wolfe Emily Bath 5c 1053
1901 England Census Name: Emily Hester Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Hester Gender: Female Where born: Bath Civil Parish: Finchley Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Middlesex
Registration District: Barnet Sub-registration District: Finchley
Joseph Hester 34 Emily Hester 33 William Hester 8 May Hester 6
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:23 |
1881 England Census about Hester Chivers Name: Hester Chivers Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Somerset, England Civil Parish: Bower Chalk County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Quidham St Farm Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Domestic Serv Registration District: Wilton Sub-registration District: Bishopstone ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2075 Folio: 92 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Richard Harding 71 Mary Ann Harding 69 John Harding 26 Sarah Heath 65 St.Clair Lumsden 21 Sarah Bowles 76 Hester Chivers 20 >>>>>> Jane Simpkins 18 Simon Watkins 84
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:27 |
Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%) Chivers Hester Clutton 5c 825 EVANS Arthur Henry Clutton 5c 825
1891 England Census about Hester Evans Name: Hester Evans Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Arthur H Evans Gender: Female Where born: Paulton, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Cheddar Ecclesiastical parish: Cheddar County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Axbridge Sub-registration District: Axbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1922 Folio: 27 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Arthur H Evans 38 Hester Evans 34 Elsie M Evans 5 Frederick E Evans 3 Sidney J Evans 8/12
1901 England Census about Hester Evans Name: Hester Evans Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Arthur H Evans Gender: Female Where born: Cheddar, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Cheddar Ecclesiastical parish: Cheddar County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Axbridge Sub-registration District: Axbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 76 Piece: 2327 Folio: 27 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Arthur H Evans 47 (Mason..Stone) Hester Evans 45 Elsie M Evans 15 Frederick E Evans 13 Sidney O Evans 10 ....Middle initial "J" on the image Amy M Evans 6 Frederick Green 45
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2013 11:33 |
Personally, I believe that Hester is Lily's mother - not Emily.
Hester married Arthur Evans as shown, and between 1901 and 1911 she became Hester Withy (per the 1911)
Obviously, Lily's 1882 birth cert will tell the truth.
EDIT 15/07/2013 @ 21:13 The Hester who married Arthur Evans is a different person - see page 3.
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:34 |
Household transcription 1911 census Person: EVANS, Esther Address: The Barrows Cheddar Somerset EVANS, Arthur Henry Head Married M 58 1853 Mason Stone Cheddar VIEW EVANS, Esther Wife Married1 years F 55 1856 House Duties Cheddar VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 14557 Reference: RG14PN14557 RG78PN882 RD314 SD1 ED10 SN58 Registration District: Axbridge Sub District: Axbridge Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Cheddar Address: The Barrows Cheddar Somerset County: Somersetshire
No.........this one can't be right. It states married 1 year no children.
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2013 11:41 |
My theory of Hester Chivers/Evans becoming Withy is out the window!
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: Hester Evans Probate Date: 22 Apr 1907 Death Date: 28 Jan 1907 Death Place: Somerset, England Registry: Wells
Wife of Arthur Henry Evans. Admin to Elsie Mabel Evans, spinster. Effects £120 5s
EDIT: - just seen 1911 above, spooky! :-0
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2013 11:46 |
Could this be Henry's remarriage?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Arthur H Evans Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910 Registration District: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 189
Records on Page: Name Adelaide Carter Arthur H Evans Esther Isgar << Albert G B Slaughter
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PricklyHolly
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14 Jul 2013 11:46 |
It is spooky Marie.
All the details match and it looks as if "Hester" has been altered to read "Esther"
Edit: Ooops, i think you mean't the Hester Withy Census.
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2013 11:52 |
A huge coincidence really, as per 1891:
BIRD, Charlotte Head Single F 48 1843 Hammersmith, London BIRD, Eliza Sister Single F 45 1846 Hammersmith, London BIRD, Rachel Sister Single F 42 1849 Hammersmith, London BIRD, Alice Sister Single F 40 1851 Hammersmith, London DUNN, Eliza Louisa Sister Single F 57 1834 Servant Domestic Hammersmith, London ISGAR, Esther Servant Single F 35 1856 Servant Domestic Cheddar, Somersetshire <<< LUSSENDEN, Helen Leonara Servant Single F 26 1865 Servant Domestic Paddington, London
Piece: 37 Folio: 3 Page: 5 Registration District: Fulham Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Address: Oldfield House, Brook Green Road, Hammersmith County: London
Esther is still with the Birds in 1901 but age wrongly recorded as 25 instead of 45
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