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Thanks for that am getting more info all the time especially off the 1911 census.

You will probably need to purchase the birth cert

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
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Kirkley Beatrice Young S. Shields 10a 918


As she has Young as a middle name I wouldn't be surprised if her parents were not married

Her birth reg has been posted earlier in the thread - her birth cert will at least give you her mother's name.

I am searching now for the parents of Beatrice Young Kirkley, born in about 1908 in South Shields, was adopted by William and Mary J Hellyar, adoption date unknown adopted brother was George Thomas Cowell Hellyar. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

I will try the 1897 to see the marriage certificate as suggested

Yes, Potty I agree with you......I've been looking to see whether I could see any connection between the Cowell's and Hellyar's in Cornwall but like you haven't found anything yet!

Does anyone else think that is a bit of a coincidence that George Cowell b South Shields, whose mother came from Cornwall was adopted by a Cornish man who married in South Shields in the same year that George was born? I have a feeling that there is some connection between William Hellyar and Florence Cowell but haven't been able to find it.

Douglas, it might be a good idea to get the 1897 marriage cert to see if Mary Jane had been married before, as there seems to be no sign of her on the census or bmd under Smaller.

My grandfather took his adopted surname as it shows on his marriage certificate which I have just received today.

I have read page 2 and found the info that you sent from jax. been onto a site called Mundia .com and found more info about Florence Mary Cowell, don't take it too hard as I am just feeling my way around this site..many thanks any way

Think you may be right Roy

Jax, I've sent Douglas another message, from his replies on this page I have a feeling the replies refer to posts on page one? so I don't think he has read page two yet?

Roy

His mother was in India in 1901 they did not go to Australia until approx 1914

If there was no father on his birth cert there is unlikely to be one on his marriage cert...unless he made one up or used his adopted fathers name

Douglas, Have you not read the posts above? by Jax and others, Londonbelle, Potty and MarieCeleste

jax 13 Jul 2013 16:52 Florence Marriage to Arthur William Pearce190017 Nov Age: 26Calcutta, West Bengal,

Jax 13 Jul 2013 16:53 Her death in 1939 in Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Father's Name:
Henry Cowell
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Greenslade

I don't have ancestry world wide anymore but Florence should appear on the Australian electoral rolls up until her death

Roy

With reference to londonbelle I am waiting for a marriage certificate from South Shields for George Thomas Hellyar, hopefully it will have his fathers full name on it, will keep you informed when I receive it.

Florence Mary Cowell is not on the 1901 census so I presume that she left the country and went to Australia, any more info woud be great

Douglas, there doesn't seem to be any "may" about it! Florence Mary Cowell did go to Australia - see jax's post above.

There is a tree on Ancestry that has loads of info about her, including photos (she was extremely pretty). If you're not a member of Ancestry you can search and view trees on their spin-off site Mundia http://www.mundia.com/gb/
You have to register but it's free.

George Thomas Cowell was born on 12th March 1897, was registered in the sub district of Westoe in South Shields, Mothers name was Florence Mary Cowell, there is no mention of a father on the birth certificate but found that she may have emigarted to Australia, I will continue to search.

Marriage of the parents mentioned in the Australian Death Certificate that Jax found

Marriages Sep 1862 )
Cowell Henry Barnstaple 5b 828
Greenslade Elizabeth Barnstaple 5b 828

1891 census?.....fits is with the birth that Porkie found and the names of the parents on Australian Death Cert that Jax found

Name: Florance Cowell
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Cowell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cowell
Gender: Female
Where born: Truro, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Kenwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Truro
Sub-registration District: Kenwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1830
Folio: 68
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cowell 53 b Barnstaple occ Tailor
Elizabeth Cowell 48
Dora Cowell 23
Beatrice Cowell 21
Hilda Cowell 19
Archibald Cowell 17
Florance Cowell 16
Kate Cowell 12

There is a public tree on Ancestry for Florence - it has a photo of her death cert. There is no mention of her son George.