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Thankyou all for your help and time to post in SAFC message it shows that i was right regarding Thomas H Todd and the Parish records

Michael - you are not answering any of the questions though.

Where have you got 1844 from for your birth of Thomas? You say you have a birth certificate - do you? If so, who is the father named on this certificate? And the mother?

What is the exact date of birth?

And as has been suggested, if you don't have marriage certificate to Sarah...get it?



Jude

Thanks for that ihave no certificate but to stop my confusion i will get one Regards Michael

Jude, I think he got the 1844 birth by doing a search on this site. However, there was an error in the transcription which gave the wrong name.
Michael, in your opening post you refer to a certificate. Now you say you don't have one?

Michael

Buy the 1878 marriage cert.....................get some factual info, instead of guessing.

It's your guessing which has caused your confusion

And, Jude....................no, there is no death recorded for Thomas prior to Sarah's second marriage.

i Was looking at the certificate on this site i have just ordered the marriage certificate from the GOV Site lets see what it shows me thanks again for all your patience and help Regards Michael

What you're looking at on this site is not a certificate. It's a transcription of a record which (if the transcription is correct) gives you the information you need to order the relevant certificate from the GRO. But remember to check the original image. As you have seen mistakes are made.

You cannot see certs on this site.

All you can see is the INDEX

As has been said, Its the index your looking at and not a certificate, Note these records on the index are transcriptions, transcribed by people/humans some of these index images are far from easy to transcribe and that's not taking into account human error so always best to check the actual image that the transcription was taken from,

For just what info you will find on any BMD certificate

see http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Roy

Thomas H Todd b 1855 seems to disappear! I am open to suggestion but in 1881 - just three years after their marriage, Sarah is alone and their two year old son - seemingly named after his father - is with his grandparents. She is "Head" and I think it is probably "widowed"....but there is not a death that fits before she marries again in 1886.

This death fits....

Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
Todd Thomas 25 Morpeth 10b 191

As does this

Deaths Mar 1888 (>99%)
TODD Thomas 33 T_nbridge 2a 447

But I cannot find anything in Wales that fits right up to when he would be 100 (if WE are right) and 111 if Michael is.

If i am right Thomas H Todd Born 1880 Timber Merchant married Lilian Francis White in 1904 only for 7 years and i think he died in the 1st world war
its his father im stuck on ill just wait for the marriage certificate to come THOMAS TODD married SARAH ELIZABETH PAYNE in 1878 and i will post on here when or if it comes Regards Michael

Michael please do.....it might be worth a £9.25 punt on Thomas H Todd to Lilian Francis White...if only to see what he says about HIS father. On the face of it, his father died just after he was born and his mother remarried....but I just can't find a death for his father :-S

It may not be relevant but Thomas's brother Ivor born 1850 also seems to disappear after the 1871 census, maybe just a possible that they emigrated for work, and Thomas died overseas?

This is Ivor in 1871 for ref

1871 Wales Census about Ivor Todd
Name: Ivor Todd
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Aberdare
Town: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household Schedule Number: 129
Piece: 5408
Folio: 91
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Welsh 43
Ann Welsh 44
Edward Griflyam 22
Catharine A Welsh 10
John Jones 35
Ivor Todd 21

There is a tree on Ancestry which has a second marriage for William, and half siblings to Thomas ( 1855) , but it doesn't have anything further on Thomas or brother Ivor after 1871.

NB Not finding the marriage but this is the 1881 census?

1881 Wales Census about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr Tydfil
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 62 High St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Ale & Porter Merchant
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5322
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 66
Elizabeth Todd 26
William Todd 2

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Just a coincidence but I had family that moved from the ebbw vale area of Wales to the north east looking for work in 1880 and so I would not rule out the death posted by HeyJudeB4Beatles

Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
Todd Thomas 25 Morpeth 10b 191

Roy

Hi folks just an update got the marriage certificate today THOMAS TODD Married SARAH ELIZABETH PAYNE 27 AUG 1878 Fathers name WILLIAM TODD -JOHN PAYENE.The search goes on Regards Michael

What were their ages Michael?

Jude

Thomas was 22 Sarah 17

I think ramblingrose post could be spot on because on the certificate
THOMAS TODD rank Ale and Porter Merchant as ia the same for WILLIAM TODD and the residance at time of marriage is High street ABERDARE.
still a bit confused because on her post Elizabeth is Williams spouse

could this be the one 1861 Census
WILLIAM TODD HEAD BORN 1814 CORN MERCHANT MERTHYR
WILLIAM TODD SON BORN 1849 SCHOLAR ABERDARE
IVOR TODD SON BORN 1845 SCHOLAR ABERDARE
THOMAS H TODD SON BORN 1856 SCHOLAR ABERDARE
RACHEL JONES SERVANT
Residance MERCHANT ST ABERDARE