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Good morning and you're welcome Sappo, glad you are pleased! Just hope Susan's death proves to be the right one (looks really likely).

Seems strange to think that you two are in the middle of winter, whilst it's summer here. Although no snow, it's raining!

Just off to bed,

Yes, stayed in Busselton - loved it and we had a wedding celebration there watching the sunset!!

Will look you up next visit.

Regards,

Sappho

Thankyou for your kind words .

Always nice when it all comes together :-D
Albany is a wonderful place but I live in Busselton ,it is better again :-D

Sue :-D

Hi Susan,

Just had three weeks in W.A. came down to Albany and did the inland route back to Perth.

Lovely, but I do know that you probably did not get the news of us from so far away.

We get all the Aussie news here and I know you would be getting cold temps. Have friends in Kendenup.

Thanks for all your help - you are so positive in your findsing.

Best Wishes,

Sappho

Dear Susan and Flip,

What can I say, but thank you, thank you, thank you so much. You really have done me proud and I am in tears as how do you do it? I have been searching for the family for some time.

Le me fill you in.

I am the daughter of Amy May Povey, daughter of Thomas Charles Povey and Johanna (h) Povey formerly Turner b 1880. She was found with a name mis-spelt in the 1901 Census with her family as shown on the thread. Johanna is the eldest and she was meticulous about paperwork - the first to attend school in the family. I have her original birth certificate, school attendance records, etc.

I started to trace back from her to find her parents and so on. I found the birth in 1860 of Amy Noble and obtained the certificate. Also the marriage certificate - William Turner and Amy Noble 1879. I then ventured to find the siblings of Johanna (my grandmother). I sent for many, many wrong certificates for Thomas birth 1885 then hit correct. Managed to find he married A.M. Kybert and had a son Thomas b 1911 and I finally had the death of Thomas 1939 - if this is correct it has A. M Turner as the informant.

OMG I am going on and on, but look it makes sense why did'nt I think she may have remarried. We just don't do some things.

So once again what a tremendous team. You might notice an earlier thread about William Turner and I have just sent for his death certificate. He was 13 years old.

Better go and prepare for the weekend now it looks like it is still on as weather is better.

Thank you all so much - months and months searching and then with a quick query - you helps are worth a mint! Talk about making someone's evening.

My fondest appreciation of you Susan and Flip.

Take care now,

Sappho

Hi Sappo

Sorry do not know anything re new Zealand ,,I am a long way from there ,different Country .

I live in the South West Corner of Western Australia and dare I say it ...it is cold enough to snow :-(

Sue :-D

Hi Folks,

Susan if you are in OZ/WA you will know that we have just had a bad storm and down south we have heavy snow.

My daughter's 40th Celebrations to be held this weekend in Akaroa - we have all been waiting for new of the snow as one way into the Akaroa Village and we have to climb Hilltop - famous for its view s and snow covering!!!

Still no news on that, but storm abating and so far no snow in christchurch - fingers crossed we don't get it. Our other daughter and partner fly in from Sydney arrving 12.30 am - flight already delayed 1 hour so that probably saved them as had they come on time, they would have flown into the storm.

Now you all have been busy and I have the pm Flip thank you - need to study but quick glance tells me its right second marriage - thanks. Want to now look at the notes since my last look in pm today.

Back soon. Thanks folks no wonder I could not find her death.

Sappho

Thankyou Flip.....,together I think we solved the case :-D.

Now for some lunch 2 pm here in OZ // WA and very cold.

Sue :-D

Think that death could be right Susan. She is at the same address until 1932, but not there in 1933.

Could be, I've found her and George on the ERs still at 282 Tabard St (Long Lane) in 1919. Then in 1921 Amy is alone, still at same address in 1924 but no George.

This one looks like it will fit ./ if her true age is know at Death that is

Deaths Jun 1933 (>99%)
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Smith Amy 74 Southwark 1d 52

That may not be so easy - look at the differences in ages on that census, marriage and her actual dob, wonder if Mr smith actually knew how old she really was?

Nice find ;-)

Great minds work alike..... I always say anyway :-D

Now to find a death Reg for her :-|

Bingo!

George Smith
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 278 Tabard St SE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: LABOURER GENERAL
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Newington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 1798
Household Members: Name Age
George Smith 41
Amy Smith 43

Cheers Susan - it does mean she was still Turner in 1911, but I'm not spotting her either. Wonder if she had already moved in with Mr Smith??

Thanks Flip

I have been searching for another possible marriage .

Good Find :-D

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Also proves the Joanna --- Povey marriage is coerrct so amy jnr is with her big Sis in 1911.

I think this is Thomas 1885 with his own family in 1911.

1911 England Census
about Thomas Turner Name: Thomas Turner
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Falstaff Yard
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PLATEMAN ON HOTEL
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 1766
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Turner 27
Maud Turner 29
Rose Turner 21
Ena Emily Turner 5
Johannah Turner 2

Think you may have an even bigger struggle to find her death now:

Amy Turner (widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 52
Spouse Name: George Francis Smith (labourer - bachelor)
Spouse Age: 45
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Sep 1916
Parish: Newington St Andrew
Borough: Southwark
Spouse Father Name: George Francis Smith (blacksmith)
Register Type: Parish Register

Her father William Noble (deceased bricklayer).
Both of 282 Sabard (or Jabard) street.
Witnesses Johannah Povey & Lucy Jones

I'll send the image by PM

A possible Death for William snr.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about William Turner Name: William Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Age at Death: 43
Registration District: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 60

Thomas and Amy bapt's on thre same day same place.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Joanna Turner Name: Joanna Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1886
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Turner Name: Thomas Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1886
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers