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Cornelius Gullivan born st helens lancashire

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Astra

Astra Report 17 Jun 2013 07:03

I think maybe that Paul would have been born as Cannon and not Gullivan.
I assumed that he was Susannah's son born 7 - 8 years before she married.
I can't find a baptism record for him in France or Ireland.
There is no reason why Cornelius would change his name as he was born a Gullivan after Susannah's marriage.

Snap Flip!

Flip

Flip Report 17 Jun 2013 07:02

Surely Paul is Susannah's son born before her marriage? Peter Gullivan would have been 12 when he Paul was born, so highly unlikely to be his father.

The only census to record Paul's name as Gullivan was 1861, probably because that was his mothers name by then, he was more likely to have been born as Cannon.

merri_59

merri_59 Report 17 Jun 2013 06:47

wonder why would change to step mothers maiden name, maybe cornelius did the same ,

Flip

Flip Report 17 Jun 2013 05:03

Re the marriage posted by PH - Lancs BMD shows Susan Cannon married John McDonald at Christ Church, Ince.

Same church as marriage for Daniel Pennington/Mary Ellen Cannon

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 Jun 2013 18:20

Flip's hit:
1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M54V-9HJ

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po939unit#page/n989/mode/1up
[addy=14 Reed Ave, Lackawanna, Erie NY]

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 14:10

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Peter Cannon Name: Peter Cannon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Age at Death: 17
Registration District: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 56

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 14:05

There does nor appear to be any births for.......

Burchell/Cannon or Mcdonald/Cannon

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 14:01

Although "Susanann" has the surname Cannon in the 1911 census, it states she is married..........so maybe?

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BURCHALL John Wigan 8c 61
CANNON Susan Wigan 8c 61
HUMPHREYS Lucy Wigan 8c 61
MCDONALD John Wigan 8c 61
MCDONALD John J Wigan 8c 61

Astra

Astra Report 16 Jun 2013 13:56

In 1891 Paul is named as Pat born Ireland. He is a collier at this time.

He married Sarah Ann Lyon in Prescot RD in 1876

1891 census transcription details for: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3022
Folio: 125
Page: 61
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: St Helens
Parish: Eccleston
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas
City/Municipal Borough: St Helens
Address: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROBINSON, Charles Head Married M 32 1859 Chemical Labourer
Appleton, Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Mary Wife Married F 31 1860
Ireland
ROBINSON, Anne Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Eccleston, Lancashire
ROBINSON, Ellen Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Eccleston, Lancashire
ROBINSON, John Son M 3 1888
Eccleston, Lancashire
CANNON, Pat Boarder Married M 43 1848 Collier
Ireland
CANNON, Sarah Ann Married F 34 1857
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, John Boarder M 14 1877 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Susan Boarder F 7 1884 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Mary Ellen F 4 1887 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Peter M 2 1889
St Helens, Lancashire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 13:51

Just for perspective, a tree on Ancestry has Peter & Susannah's marriage certificate.

They married 16 July 1855 in the Chapel of Farnworth in Prescot.

Peter Gullavin age 20, a labourer as was his father John.

Susannah Cannon age 25, her father John Cannon was also a labourer.

Neither had been married before and both stated as living Widnes.

Witnesses: Elizabeth Cannon and Robert Henderson ??
..................................................................................................................

So, Peter was way too young to be Paul's father. Paul would have been born a Cannon which is reflected in the census already posted.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 13:46

??

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: CANNON, Paul
Address: 20 Bird St Ince

CANNON, Paul J Married M 65 1846 Labourer Above Ground Colliery France VIEW
CANNON, Sarah Ann Wife Married36 years F 54 1857 St Helens Lancs VIEW
CANNON, Susanann Daughter Married4 years F 27 1884 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW
CANNON, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Mary Ellen Daughter Married F 24 1887 None St Helens Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Daniel Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Coal Miner Hewer Ince Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Martha Gran Child Married F 3 1908 Ince Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Sarah Ann Gran Child F 2 1909 Ince Lancs VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 23048
Reference: RG14PN23048 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED33 SN190
Registration District: Wigan
Sub District: Hindley
Enumeration District: 33
Parish: Ince in Makerfield
Address: 20 Bird St Ince
County: Lancashire
(11 children born, 3 living, 7 had died)


Paul does not have the middle initial "J" on the image.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 13:37

Just posting the 1861 for our reference (name mistranscribed)

SULLIVAN, Susannah Head Married F 35 1826 Take In Lodgers West Derby, Lancashire
SULLIVAN, Paul Son M 14 1847 Glass Works France
SULLIVAN, Mary Daughter F 6 1855 St Helens, Lancashire
SULLIVAN, Cornelius Son M 3 1858 St Helens, Lancashire

Piece: 2750 Folio: 40 Page: 1
Registration District: Prescot
Civil Parish: Eccleston

Address: 39, Eccleston Street, Eccleston, St Helens County: Lancashire

Astra

Astra Report 16 Jun 2013 13:35

I think Paul changed his name to that of his mother. He was born in France so this looks like him.

1881 England Census
Name: Paul Cannon
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Brother (Head) (Head)
Gender: Male
Where born: (B S), France
Civil Parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 36 Appleton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Glass Lab
Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors:
Piece: 3739
Folio: 53
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Cannon
30
Sarah A. Cannon
25
John Cannon
3
Mary Cannon
1

and the 1911. State married 36 years. 11 children born 3 living 7 died. The maths doesn't add up!

1911 England Census
Name: Paul Cannon
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: France
Civil Parish: Ince in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 20 Bird St Off Manchester Rd Hr Ince Nr Wigan Ince
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer Above Ground Collery
Registration District: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 23048
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Cannon
65
Sarah Ann Cannon
54
Susan Ann Cannon
27
Annie Cannon
20
Mary Ellen Pennington
24
Daniel Pennington
25
Matha Pennington
3
Sarah Ann Pennington
2

merri_59

merri_59 Report 16 Jun 2013 12:47

have lost peter, paul and cornelius gullivan have been told paul may have been born france 1847 but unlikely susan/sussanah cannon/ canning is his birth mother
dont have deaths for any of them, will now look in usa

Flip

Flip Report 16 Jun 2013 12:46

Not exactly getting anywhere with Cornelius are we?

Have you found what happened to his brother Paul(or rather half brother I would think)?

If Cornelius moved to the continent or Ireland we couldn't find him on shipping lists, and there appears to be a France connection. There's no death I can see for his father Peter either.

merri_59

merri_59 Report 16 Jun 2013 12:39

thank you so much every body, for garner info, had lost them too.
cornelius is my brick wall.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Jun 2013 10:05

He's not with nephew Thomas either - it states he arrived 1905, Mary in 1906. married 3 years, 3 children all born NY.

Thomas Garner
Age in 1910: 28
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Lackawanna Ward 3, Erie, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Garner
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Garner 28
Mary Garner 35
Eileen Garner 3
Herbert Garner 2
Doris Garner 0
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Cynthia

Cynthia Report 16 Jun 2013 09:43

Found this on Google - but it may have been posted by you......


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=mediaphotopublic&rank=1&sbo=t&gsbco=Sweden&gsln=Gullivan


http://www.sthelens-connect.net/forums/topic/35339-ggg-grandparents-go-missing/

Flip

Flip Report 16 Jun 2013 09:16

Mary arriving with son William (18, bricklayer) going to son Thomas, I think it says he has been in US 5 years:

Mary Garner
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1905
Age: 47 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Friesland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Thos Garner
Last Residence: St Helens
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_50

Flip

Flip Report 16 Jun 2013 09:10

Daniel Garner
Arrival Date: 19 Jan 1906
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Ivernia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Thos Garner
Last Residence: England

Travelling with father William (bricklayer) and sister Amelia - going to brother Thomas 96 Fith st, Buffalo and his wife Mary.