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17 Jun 2013 07:03 |
I think maybe that Paul would have been born as Cannon and not Gullivan. I assumed that he was Susannah's son born 7 - 8 years before she married. I can't find a baptism record for him in France or Ireland. There is no reason why Cornelius would change his name as he was born a Gullivan after Susannah's marriage.
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17 Jun 2013 07:02 |
Surely Paul is Susannah's son born before her marriage? Peter Gullivan would have been 12 when he Paul was born, so highly unlikely to be his father.
The only census to record Paul's name as Gullivan was 1861, probably because that was his mothers name by then, he was more likely to have been born as Cannon.
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17 Jun 2013 06:47 |
wonder why would change to step mothers maiden name, maybe cornelius did the same ,
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17 Jun 2013 05:03 |
Re the marriage posted by PH - Lancs BMD shows Susan Cannon married John McDonald at Christ Church, Ince.
Same church as marriage for Daniel Pennington/Mary Ellen Cannon
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16 Jun 2013 18:20 |
Flip's hit: 1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M54V-9HJ
Magnify 4 clicks, then save image: http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po939unit#page/n989/mode/1up [addy=14 Reed Ave, Lackawanna, Erie NY]
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16 Jun 2013 14:10 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Peter Cannon Name: Peter Cannon Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907 Age at Death: 17 Registration District: Wigan Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 56
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16 Jun 2013 14:05 |
There does nor appear to be any births for.......
Burchell/Cannon or Mcdonald/Cannon
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16 Jun 2013 14:01 |
Although "Susanann" has the surname Cannon in the 1911 census, it states she is married..........so maybe?
Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURCHALL John Wigan 8c 61 CANNON Susan Wigan 8c 61 HUMPHREYS Lucy Wigan 8c 61 MCDONALD John Wigan 8c 61 MCDONALD John J Wigan 8c 61
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16 Jun 2013 13:56 |
In 1891 Paul is named as Pat born Ireland. He is a collier at this time.
He married Sarah Ann Lyon in Prescot RD in 1876
1891 census transcription details for: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 3022 Folio: 125 Page: 61 Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helens Parish: Eccleston Enum. District: 20 Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas City/Municipal Borough: St Helens Address: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ROBINSON, Charles Head Married M 32 1859 Chemical Labourer Appleton, Yorkshire ROBINSON, Mary Wife Married F 31 1860 Ireland ROBINSON, Anne Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire ROBINSON, Ellen Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire ROBINSON, John Son M 3 1888 Eccleston, Lancashire CANNON, Pat Boarder Married M 43 1848 Collier Ireland CANNON, Sarah Ann Married F 34 1857 St Helens, Lancashire CANNON, John Boarder M 14 1877 Scholar St Helens, Lancashire CANNON, Susan Boarder F 7 1884 Scholar St Helens, Lancashire CANNON, Mary Ellen F 4 1887 Scholar St Helens, Lancashire CANNON, Peter M 2 1889 St Helens, Lancashire
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16 Jun 2013 13:51 |
Just for perspective, a tree on Ancestry has Peter & Susannah's marriage certificate.
They married 16 July 1855 in the Chapel of Farnworth in Prescot.
Peter Gullavin age 20, a labourer as was his father John.
Susannah Cannon age 25, her father John Cannon was also a labourer.
Neither had been married before and both stated as living Widnes.
Witnesses: Elizabeth Cannon and Robert Henderson ?? ..................................................................................................................
So, Peter was way too young to be Paul's father. Paul would have been born a Cannon which is reflected in the census already posted.
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16 Jun 2013 13:46 |
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Household transcription 1911 census Person: CANNON, Paul Address: 20 Bird St Ince
CANNON, Paul J Married M 65 1846 Labourer Above Ground Colliery France VIEW CANNON, Sarah Ann Wife Married36 years F 54 1857 St Helens Lancs VIEW CANNON, Susanann Daughter Married4 years F 27 1884 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW CANNON, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW PENNINGTON, Mary Ellen Daughter Married F 24 1887 None St Helens Lancs VIEW PENNINGTON, Daniel Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Coal Miner Hewer Ince Lancs VIEW PENNINGTON, Martha Gran Child Married F 3 1908 Ince Lancs VIEW PENNINGTON, Sarah Ann Gran Child F 2 1909 Ince Lancs VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 23048 Reference: RG14PN23048 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED33 SN190 Registration District: Wigan Sub District: Hindley Enumeration District: 33 Parish: Ince in Makerfield Address: 20 Bird St Ince County: Lancashire (11 children born, 3 living, 7 had died)
Paul does not have the middle initial "J" on the image.
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16 Jun 2013 13:37 |
Just posting the 1861 for our reference (name mistranscribed)
SULLIVAN, Susannah Head Married F 35 1826 Take In Lodgers West Derby, Lancashire SULLIVAN, Paul Son M 14 1847 Glass Works France SULLIVAN, Mary Daughter F 6 1855 St Helens, Lancashire SULLIVAN, Cornelius Son M 3 1858 St Helens, Lancashire
Piece: 2750 Folio: 40 Page: 1 Registration District: Prescot Civil Parish: Eccleston
Address: 39, Eccleston Street, Eccleston, St Helens County: Lancashire
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16 Jun 2013 13:35 |
I think Paul changed his name to that of his mother. He was born in France so this looks like him.
1881 England Census Name: Paul Cannon Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Brother (Head) (Head) Gender: Male Where born: (B S), France Civil Parish: Sutton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 36 Appleton St Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Glass Lab Registration District: Prescot Sub-registration District: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: Piece: 3739 Folio: 53 Page Number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Paul Cannon 30 Sarah A. Cannon 25 John Cannon 3 Mary Cannon 1
and the 1911. State married 36 years. 11 children born 3 living 7 died. The maths doesn't add up!
1911 England Census Name: Paul Cannon Age in 1911: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: France Civil Parish: Ince in Makerfield County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 20 Bird St Off Manchester Rd Hr Ince Nr Wigan Ince Marital Status: Married Occupation: Labourer Above Ground Collery Registration District: Wigan Registration District Number: 458 Sub-registration District: Hindley ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 23048 Household Members: Name Age Paul Cannon 65 Sarah Ann Cannon 54 Susan Ann Cannon 27 Annie Cannon 20 Mary Ellen Pennington 24 Daniel Pennington 25 Matha Pennington 3 Sarah Ann Pennington 2
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16 Jun 2013 12:47 |
have lost peter, paul and cornelius gullivan have been told paul may have been born france 1847 but unlikely susan/sussanah cannon/ canning is his birth mother dont have deaths for any of them, will now look in usa
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16 Jun 2013 12:46 |
Not exactly getting anywhere with Cornelius are we?
Have you found what happened to his brother Paul(or rather half brother I would think)?
If Cornelius moved to the continent or Ireland we couldn't find him on shipping lists, and there appears to be a France connection. There's no death I can see for his father Peter either.
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16 Jun 2013 12:39 |
thank you so much every body, for garner info, had lost them too. cornelius is my brick wall.
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16 Jun 2013 10:05 |
He's not with nephew Thomas either - it states he arrived 1905, Mary in 1906. married 3 years, 3 children all born NY.
Thomas Garner Age in 1910: 28 Birth Year: abt 1882 Birthplace: England Home in 1910: Lackawanna Ward 3, Erie, New York Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1905 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Mary Garner Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Garner 28 Mary Garner 35 Eileen Garner 3 Herbert Garner 2 Doris Garner 0 [8/12]
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16 Jun 2013 09:43 |
Found this on Google - but it may have been posted by you......
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=mediaphotopublic&rank=1&sbo=t&gsbco=Sweden&gsln=Gullivan
http://www.sthelens-connect.net/forums/topic/35339-ggg-grandparents-go-missing/
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16 Jun 2013 09:16 |
Mary arriving with son William (18, bricklayer) going to son Thomas, I think it says he has been in US 5 years:
Mary Garner Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1905 Age: 47 Years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Gender: Female Ethnic Background: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Friesland Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Friend's Name: Thos Garner Last Residence: St Helens Microfilm Roll Number: T840_50
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16 Jun 2013 09:10 |
Daniel Garner Arrival Date: 19 Jan 1906 Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Gender: Male Ethnic Background: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Ivernia Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name: Thos Garner Last Residence: England
Travelling with father William (bricklayer) and sister Amelia - going to brother Thomas 96 Fith st, Buffalo and his wife Mary.
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