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That's really good news Val, hope all goes well. :-)

I would just like to say thank you to Flip and Reggie through Ancestry and G.R. I have made contact with Cath Moore who is Roses Grandaughter, her Uncle was Geoffrey Mason, I have also been contacted by a few of dads relatives who had trees on Ancestry but didn't know of his existence, so I will be keeping in touch with them, thanks to everyone else., Val. :

According to the ERs Percy was still at 22 Chester buildings in 1913, but had moved out by 1918 - although I don't know if the ERs were published during the war years.

I guess you've already checked the BMDs, but your father was originally registered under his mmn, and in 1921 it was amended to register it under the father's name - the BMD indexes have been manually amended accordingly. So that would indicate Percy did not go with Maud to register his birth.

Considering they were never married it's strange how her subsequent marriage is registered under the Hayhow name, with no reference to her real name. Possibly they weren't so fussy back then. ;-)

No I read them all

No I read them all

A tree on ancestry has Rose, and her marriage and a daughter Janet Rose, 1939. You will find an obituary in 2008 for Janet Rose - just google "Janet Rose obituary 2008". I don't want to post her married name on here, but she married in 1966 - the obituary refers to her husband and 2 of her 4 daughters.

The tree also show's Rose had a half brother, but the details are private.

If you can't find the obituary let me know & I'll PM the details.

thanks flip I cant find any divorce either

There are two probable entries for PERCY in GR tees........follow them up

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
HAYHOW Arthur James Camberwell 1d 805

The DOB on the death cert may be inaccurate.....not unusual. There is NO birth registered in 1908 for the name

Death
Name: HAYHOW, Arthur James
Registration district: Lambeth
County: London
Year of registration: 1985
Month of registration: November
Date of Birth:4 September 1908
Volume no: 14
Page no: 56
Reg no: 1185

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
HAYHOW James John Camberwell 1d 806

Death

Name: HAYHOW, James John
Registration district: Crawley
County: Sussex
Year of registration: 1974
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of Birth:28 June 1909
Volume no: 18
Page no: 1831

Julia and various members of the family were still at the same address until 1934, Rose appeared on the 1932 ER.

I know this has already been posted, but, I'm sorry, I can't decipher that version.
(I think it comes from GR)

1911 census


Person: HAYHOW, Julia Address: 22 Chester Buildings George Street


HAYHOW, Percy Head Married M 41 1870 Tramway Motor Man Leyton Essex VIEW
HAYHOW, Julia Wife Married20 years F 40 1871 Haggerston London VIEW
HAYHOW, Jessie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Clerk-Typist Peckham London VIEW
HAYHOW, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Restaurant In Kitchen Camberwell London VIEW
HAYHOW, Florence Daughter F 10 1901 School Camberwell London VIEW
HAYHOW, Julia Daughter F 8 1903 Camberwell London VIEW
HAYHOW, Henry Son M 5 1906 Camberwell London VIEW
HAYHOW, Arthur Son M 3 1908 Camberwell London VIEW
HAYHOW, James Son M 1 1910 Camberwell London VIEW


Deaths Mar 1954 (>99%)
Hayhow Julia 83 Totnes 7a 950

I don't think Julia died until much later, and there is no sign of a divorce on the national archives. This is most likely for Julia's death:

Julia Hayhow
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Age at Death: 83
Registration District: Totnes
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 950

Any thoughts on the INFO about Rose's possible son?

If you buy the death cert you'll find out informant's details......................

As for why your grandfather left his wife with all those children................he'd found someone else and set up home with her

dad was born 21.2,1915 no as far as I know she didn't marry percy she did marry when percy died

Births Mar 1915
Hayhow Robert A Collett Camberwell 1d See D'1921
Births Dec 1921
Hayhow Robert A Collett Camberwell 1d 1388

Hello Mumsy, did Percy actually marry Maud? If so, what was his marital status on their marriage certificate?

I presume you have all the info of his first marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Percy Hayhow - tram driver
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Julia Cole
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Aug 1891
Parish: Peckham St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Hayhow - (deceased) dairyman
Spouse Father Name: Charles Cole - (deceased) - fishmonger
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married. Both give address as 36 Astbury Road.

Witnesses: Charles Henry Cole and Florence Cole

When was your Father born?
Thank-you

Added:
You have Maud Collett, 1880, in your tree. Had she been married previously before she gave birth to your Father?

I don't know who registered the 1985 death, I only found out about Rose on Ancestry which I only joined a couple of weeks ago, as she was born in 1912 she wouldn't have been on the 1911 , she and percy were on a couple of trees on that site the tree owner is a cath moore who might be a granddaughter I have sent a message, but she might be off the site for a while, we were told dad was the only child, he never talked about his family, I really would like to know why he left Julia for my nan Maud Collett.

Flip,

My thoughts as well.